CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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I'm going to disagree with the American Academy of Pediatrics. If a child can't handle what is shown on TV, then how can they truly cope with the real world once they are out in it? Once again, Star Trek was never family friendly (I'll mention that I'm straight here). Death and attempted rape was shown quite a bit on TOS, among other things.
I'm a parent that actually watches what many would consider objectionable material with my kids. Two are now adults, and pretty awesome adults. They know how to respect other people and nothing throws them for a loop. I watch Archer with the youngest. who is nine. We laugh and discuss what we see on screen. We discuss what is disrespectful behavior and how that isn't how we do things in the real world.
So you can take your codes for keeping the gays out and cram them where the sun don't shine.
Either you're an idiot, a terrible parent, or both.
I'm a parent. I don't need to know that. Please don't speak for me.
Also: What is and isn't "family-friendly" has changed over time.
This thread is about Axanar. If you want to post about what you want to see in the new TV show, go post in that section.
*cough*bullshit*cough* Sorry, had something in my throat. I meant to say bullshit.
From the very first TOS episode to the last of Enterprise, Trek has been sci-fi action dressed up in fancy language playing at being smarter than the rest. A western in space, a cop show as Harlan Ellison called it.
The Cage: We had Pike mentally burned alive, threatening to blow off a alien hostage's head with a laser pistol, and the open discussion about which of his crewmen he was going to have to mate with
Where no man has gone before: Officer strangled to death, Spock stomping around with a rifle wanting kill Mitchel, Mitchel forcing Kirk to worship him
Errand Of Mercy: You have Kirk arguing for the right to go to war, to kill Klingons.
The Empath: McCoy tortured
TMP You have a whole Federation race that has to take an oath of celibacy cause their sex is so good it screws up the minds of other races.
The Borg: Zombies, vampires, and rape allegory all rolled into one.
Violence and sex go with Trek like peanut butter and jelly,
Going back to Axanar, I would expect that one of CBS/P's main concerns is that of the audience (aged probably 12 and over if you consider the movies and darker episodes of DS9).
If Peters gets his way and makes Garth: The Movie using Trek IP, that could pave the way for other studios to make their own takes on Trek - and they might not have the same demographic in mind.
If you buy or download 'official' Trek you know it won't get OTT gruesome or explicit. But if Peters wins, sets a precedent and opens the floodgates, there's a chance that a teenage kid looking for Trek might end up watching 'Horny Hortas' or somesuch.
From CBS/P's point of view, it's not solely about keeping the IP for themselves, it's about keeping a rein on the IP so that third parties can't come along and ruin Trek's reputation, by putting out poor-quality or inappropriate material under the Trek banner.
Another issue is that every Trek script goes through legal screening. A team of lawyers goes through and changes names to protect the innocent, make sure that names and planets don't match with real life names or corporations, to ensure there's nothing litigious about the content. Third party film-makers aren't necessarily as diligent. If an unauthorised Trek film came out that had DaiMon Bok as the brains behind an evil search engine called Boogle, it could cause problems for CBS/P if Google were to take umbrage.
If Peters gets his way and makes Garth: The Movie using Trek IP, that could pave the way for other studios to make their own takes on Trek - and they might not have the same demographic in mind.
If you buy or download 'official' Trek you know it won't get OTT gruesome or explicit. But if Peters wins, sets a precedent and opens the floodgates, there's a chance that a teenage kid looking for Trek might end up watching 'Horny Hortas' or somesuch.
From CBS/P's point of view, it's not solely about keeping the IP for themselves, it's about keeping a rein on the IP so that third parties can't come along and ruin Trek's reputation, by putting out poor-quality or inappropriate material under the Trek banner.
Another issue is that every Trek script goes through legal screening. A team of lawyers goes through and changes names to protect the innocent, make sure that names and planets don't match with real life names or corporations, to ensure there's nothing litigious about the content. Third party film-makers aren't necessarily as diligent. If an unauthorised Trek film came out that had DaiMon Bok as the brains behind an evil search engine called Boogle, it could cause problems for CBS/P if Google were to take umbrage.
That's right. Star Trek... it doesn't have excessive violence. No people being disintegrated. No people screaming as worms are fighting their way into the brains. No one suffering from radiation burns. No ships exploding. No hand to hand combat ending with someone falling into hot lava.
These are all things of other franchises....
Anyhoo. I think I'm gonna stop paying attention now.
Wow, 800 pages and we just cracked 16000 posts!
Someone call Guinness!
Someone call Guinness!
Bonesmccoy limps over the nearby hills, trailing smoke. A cough, a splutter and he falls into a downwards spiral before he crashes and burns...
I'm not a parent, but if I did have kids, I'd rather know in advance what the content of a TV show / movie / book is before I let them see / read it. Most of the movies are rated PG-13, but there's a ton of kids 5, 6, 7, 8 years old in the theaters. Parents know that there isn't anything in Star Trek (or Star Wars, etc.) they'd rather not put in front of their kids. People see a Star Trek video on the internet, even tho it's not an official CBS/Paramount production, they're going to assume it has the same level of content.
I could not care less if there's LGBT characters in the show. I've read several fan-fiction stories that had them, and usually they seem to be artificially inserted just so the author could show off "See how inclusive I am?" Fine. Whatever. Such characters rarely advance the plot; they're just there to be there. But I'd really rather not have graphic demonstrations of what goes on behind closed doors, between ANY two (or more) adults -- male/female or male/male or female/female, splashed across the screen. I mean, really, is that too much to ask? As I said, I stopped reading fan-fic-dot-com because of that. If I wanted to watch / read soft-porn, I wouldn't think I'd find it in the family-friendly sci-fi section.
I should've put that up before I hit 'ignore'...........haha
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