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I'm not too happy with the Voyager relaunch books. kes, Neelix and Tuvok gone, instead a lot of new characters are added which I don't care about.
And there are too many good characters killed off too. One thing I really disliked was the assasination of Ensign Lyssa Campbell.
She was a creation of Christie Golden who wrote the first relaunch books and she turned up the first time in the excellent book "Marooned" which takes place in season three. I think that she showed up in some relaunch books too.
When Golden left and Beyer came in, one of the first things that happened was that Lyssa Campbell was killed off.
If I had written a couple of books in which a character I invented was present and my "successor" kill off that character, then I would be really p***ed!
I promised myself and many other people that I would avoid criticzing the current relaunch books when Beyer did us all the favor of bringing back Janeway but in the Lyssa campbell case I must make an exception.
And there are too many good characters killed off too. One thing I really disliked was the assasination of Ensign Lyssa Campbell.
She was a creation of Christie Golden who wrote the first relaunch books and she turned up the first time in the excellent book "Marooned" which takes place in season three. I think that she showed up in some relaunch books too.
When Golden left and Beyer came in, one of the first things that happened was that Lyssa Campbell was killed off.
If I had written a couple of books in which a character I invented was present and my "successor" kill off that character, then I would be really p***ed!
I promised myself and many other people that I would avoid criticzing the current relaunch books when Beyer did us all the favor of bringing back Janeway but in the Lyssa campbell case I must make an exception.
I don't really like the other Trek shows - as all of you know by now - so I have no idea about what's going on in the relaunch books of the other series (I did read that horrible BEFORE DISHONOR though). However, I do read the VOY relaunch sreies - albeit I've only finished the ETERNAL TIDE so far. Which means that what I've said about the number of superfluous characters and how they get mass murdered by the authors is something I can only state in relation to Beyer's books. If that is the case with other authors as well, then I guess it's something the US readers expect from these writers.
However, I read a lot of Star Wars books (almost everything) and I've never seen the same trend there.
I'm not saying that I'm not enjoying Beyer's books. However, before she took over, Christie Golden used to be the ultimate VOY writer for me. I still think she has written excellent VOY books - my favourite one was the DARK MATTERS trilogy. I somehow feel that she captured the sense of family, which is the essence of Voyager, a lot more than Beyer. Beyer's books are exciting - probably, again because fans expect her to write them the way she does - but to me something is lost in those books. Something that is there in Golden's books - and something that is definitely there in every single episode of STAR TREK VOYAGER.
As for the characters, Neelix is present in the relaunch books and occasionally we've seen Kes and Tuvok here and there. But yes, on the whole I'm missing these characters, too - especially Tuvok. Best Vulcan ever (have we had another one to date BTW? I mean among the main characters. Spock was only half Vulcan and ENT never happened ...)
I don't see it that way. New characters can be an asset to a show. And people have to die. It's the way of life. What I don't like are cliché deaths. Some people are jealous of new characters introduced to a bunch of characters in a show who endured a lot together whereas the newbies have to prove themselves. Some new characters simply don't work or there is no chemistry. Then I think Good Riddance when they are killed off. Other newbies grew on me. It really depends. It's odd, Thomas Eugene, that you prefer Christie's novels over Kirsten's. To many of the fans it's the other way round.
TNG novels endured most of the killing off. You really don't want to be chief of security aboard Picard's vessel. Or President of something.
TNG novels endured most of the killing off. You really don't want to be chief of security aboard Picard's vessel. Or President of something.
I agree!
Really sick! Not even in my worst anti-Seven days I would ever dream about such a horrible death for her. I didn't even think of killing off Seven because she belongs to the "family" and a lot of people like her.
If I was a writer and needed someone to sacrifice in the story, I would invent an own character to kill off, not anybody else's creation.
As for Golden's books, I really like "Marooned". It's number 2 on my list of Voyager books, after "The Black Shore" by Greg Cox.
"The Murdered Sun" is also a favorite.
The "Dark Matters" books are good too because they present a solution for a certain problem.
Not to mention that I did have a nice conversation via e-mail with Christie Golden around that time. She stated that she liked the character Kes and that she had to re-write a part of the "Dark Matters" story because some not so nice people did create a certain, horrible season 56 episode around the same time Golden was writing the trilogy.
The first relaunch books were sort of OK too, even if I wasn't too happy with some scenarios.
I used to hope that Golden would bring back Kes in some relaunch book. Now I'm happy that she didn't.
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Oh, I never said there was anything wrong with new characters. But the crew of eight new ships was more than I was able to keep track of and by the time I'd memorized their names, she decided to kill half of them off. Goodness ... That was what I didn't like about her books.I don't see it that way. New characters can be an asset to a show. And people have to die. It's the way of life. What I don't like are cliché deaths. Some people are jealous of new characters introduced to a bunch of characters in a show who endured a lot together whereas the newbies have to prove themselves. Some new characters simply don't work or there is no chemistry. Then I think Good Riddance when they are killed off. Other newbies grew on me. It really depends. It's odd, Thomas Eugene, that you prefer Christie's novels over Kirsten's. To many of the fans it's the other way round.
TNG novels endured most of the killing off. You really don't want to be chief of security aboard Picard's vessel. Or President of something.
As for the two authors, like I said, I think that Golden's books are truer to the ethos of the TV show than Beyer's novels.
Also, Voyager had that sense of family about it mainly because they were lost in the Delta Quadrant. Now you can reach the DQ in less than three hours ... Where's the mystery, the sense of being lost in space? It's got lost somewhere in the writing.
On top of all that, the borg are gone. They are probably Star Trek's most iconic villains and then they disappear in thin air at the flick of a switch ...
So yes, I think that Golden's books are truer to the sirit of VOY - that's why I prefer them. But then again, I've always thought Voyager to be an excellent show - in contrast to the masses of people who - it seems - lacked a certain excitement from the show (esp in the first 3 seasons). And Beyer's books are exciting - which for me means that they are very different from the VOY atmosphere I like.
Well, each to his own - as the saying goes. For me, a lack of borg again means that the books are one step further removed from what is VOY for me so I am not happy about their disappearance. Killing them off to me is like killing off Janeway. Neither the protagonist nor the main antagonist should be dead in my interpretation. Both Janeway and the borg are an integral part of what makes Voyager Voyager. To me this is like killing off the Force (Jedi and Sith) in the world of Star Wars.
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32 years after Voyager came home, not everyone was lucky enough to return to the Delta Quadrant. Those left behind received a Captain Harry Kim uniform from me. I hope you like it.
(NB: I know that Tom later joined them but originally he couldn't - that's why he's included in the pic.)
STAR TREK ONLINE - DELTA RISING
(NB: I know that Tom later joined them but originally he couldn't - that's why he's included in the pic.)
STAR TREK ONLINE - DELTA RISING
Thanks, Kilana2. You can see the original (from a different angle) here:This is a great uniform. They look good in it.
http://wccftech.com/star-trek-online-celebrates-5-years/
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Me too!
There were too much Borg in Voyager. Not to mention that the Borg were over and done already in TNG. They were scary and an exciting enemy when they showed upin the beginning. But when they became "humanized", first with Hugh and later on with The Borg Queen (who was whimpering around Picard like a lovesick schoolgirl), then the Borg was reduced to nothing more than the average enemy. In fact, both the Kazon, the Vidiians and the Krenim were better villains than the Borg.
Despite that, I can actually buy the concept of Seven Of Nine, a captured Borg who slowly is restored to humanity. That would have worked fine even without the "humanization" of the Borg. The problem was that Seven was restored to humanity too fast and also more and less took over the show. Not to mention that there was more focus on "sexy Seven" as such than her Borg background and struggle to become human again
My personal favorite among the Star Trek villains are the Cardassians. OK, they were humanoid and not technically superior in any way. But their ways, how cunning, treacherous and brutal they could be made them the best and most exciting enemy in Star Trek.
As for Voyager. I actually like the Kazon because I see some reality in their behaviour. It has actually happened in history that an opressed people who finally defeat their opressors start to fight each other when the opressor is gone and it was interesting to see that scenario in a Star Trek series.
However, my favorite villains are in the Voyager books. The Furies in the Voyager book "The Final Fury" by Dafydd Ab Hugh (the Furies have nothing to do with a worthless Voyager episode in season 6) are a scary and formidable enemy and in the masterpiece "The Black Shore" by Greg Cox, the Voyager crew encounters an enemy which makes the Borg look like well-behave schoolkids.
So the two of you don't like the borg. I love them. Like I said, by killing them off I think they destroyed the very soul of Voyager.
I love the borg but they only come in second place on my list. My favourite villains are the Hirogen. It's just frustrating that there isn't a single VOY author to write a novel about them.
It's absolutely possible but it's not something I've got lined up for the near future (there are just too many ideas on my mind that I want to realize in the form of wallpapers and this is not one of them). However, I'll get to that episode one day and then I'll oblige you.
At the moment I'm working on some DEADLOCK wallpapers. Two Janeways with a pink background and a green Vidiian in the middle - how does that sound for a start?
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