Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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The Supergirl nod was disappointingly brief. I understand that the two stories needed to stand on their own, but it's really implausible that Barry wouldn't mention having just crossed over to another Earth while the team was trying to figure out a way to cross over to another Earth. I almost wonder if his memory of the crossover faded after a few moments, but why would that happen? It's a shame they couldn't work it in more smoothly.
Otherwise, it was an okay episode, and we certainly learned a lot about Zoom/Zolomon's background. But I didn't understand why they went through with giving Barry's speed to Zolomon after Wally was already safe. He didn't have any hold over them anymore. I mean, sure, superheroes are honest and true to their word and all, but there are times to make an exception.
I was expecting that Wally's abduction was going to lead to him getting a Speed Force injection and becoming Kid Flash. Apparently not.
Otherwise, it was an okay episode, and we certainly learned a lot about Zoom/Zolomon's background. But I didn't understand why they went through with giving Barry's speed to Zolomon after Wally was already safe. He didn't have any hold over them anymore. I mean, sure, superheroes are honest and true to their word and all, but there are times to make an exception.
I was expecting that Wally's abduction was going to lead to him getting a Speed Force injection and becoming Kid Flash. Apparently not.
It still surprises me that there seems to be no "real Jay Garrick". That the writers would make the original version of The Flash, and still a huge part of the mythology, just a fake identity for a villain. On some level it certainly explains how passive "Jay" was all season before the reveal. But I thought maybe Hunter Zolomon stole that name and costume from the real Jay. But clearly the helmet was from Hunter's father.
I guess with the multiverse Jay Garrick probably exists out there somewhere. But after the big build up and recreating the famous "FLash of Two Worlds" cover its disappointing that was all a fake out!
Last year Wells being Eobard Thawne did not change an existing character. Wells was creation of the show. Ultimately the Reverse Flash back story was revealed to be the same as the comics. Plus introducing the Earth 2 Wells allowed them to continue that new character in different way too. But revealing Zoom was Jay means we lose Jay Garrick as The Flash.
I guess with the multiverse Jay Garrick probably exists out there somewhere. But after the big build up and recreating the famous "FLash of Two Worlds" cover its disappointing that was all a fake out!
Last year Wells being Eobard Thawne did not change an existing character. Wells was creation of the show. Ultimately the Reverse Flash back story was revealed to be the same as the comics. Plus introducing the Earth 2 Wells allowed them to continue that new character in different way too. But revealing Zoom was Jay means we lose Jay Garrick as The Flash.
The writers didn't even have to include Jay Garrick at all in the tv mythology. That's comic mythology. Very different. Feel lucky he we got the nod that we did. Adam Scott fans will probably never see him in a Green Lantern movie ever.
But maybe there's hope for Alan Scott...
Haha, my bad, must be watching too much Parks and Rec lately!
You all know who I meant!
So fans of Jay Garrick should be happy that he got a nod...as the alias of a serial killer? Unless another shoe drops (and the fact that Teddy Sears has a new regular gig) it's likely that Jay Garrick has become just a bad footnote in the series.
If just using the name and image of Jay Garrick as a misdirect to set up a "shocking revelation" is all TPTB are going to do, then I'd have preferred not to get the "nod".
If just using the name and image of Jay Garrick as a misdirect to set up a "shocking revelation" is all TPTB are going to do, then I'd have preferred not to get the "nod".
But that's a thing now. In order to keep the fans on their toes and to try and keep everyone guessing, they play loose with these things. I like that they do that, otherwise it's just a greatest hits and we have our books for those. Though sometimes it backfires like Mandarin in Iron Man 2.
But as a huge Incredible Hulk fan that grew up with the Bixby series, I know what it's like to get almost zero nods to the book. So this Jay Garrick stuff was appreciated. We've come a long way!! We can get our nods, but also unexpected twists that use our comic trivia against us!
But as a huge Incredible Hulk fan that grew up with the Bixby series, I know what it's like to get almost zero nods to the book. So this Jay Garrick stuff was appreciated. We've come a long way!! We can get our nods, but also unexpected twists that use our comic trivia against us!
I don't think the Bixby series is an apples to apples comparison though; it ran in a very different time, when direct adaptations weren't seen being as feasible as they are now.
Here we have a show that embraces time-travels, multiple earths, and so many aspects of the Flash mythos, a show that has set up Earth-Two so well, and they just use Jay Garrick as a throwaway stunt? That's an unforgivable waste to me. Your mileage may vary.
Here we have a show that embraces time-travels, multiple earths, and so many aspects of the Flash mythos, a show that has set up Earth-Two so well, and they just use Jay Garrick as a throwaway stunt? That's an unforgivable waste to me. Your mileage may vary.
I still think the man in the mask is the real Jay Garrick. After all, the word he spelled out in tap code was "JAY," and he got frustrated when Barry thought he was talking about the Jay he knew. So he meant something else by it. I think he was naming himself.
Don't the events of this episode, especially with the origin of the helmet, make it unlikely there was ever a real Jay Garrick?
God, this show, for as good as it is, really hates the JSA. First Atom Smasher, now Jay Garrick. Plus, berlanti already killed off Hawkman and Wildcat. What's next? Dr. Charles McNider, creator of the human millipede? Maybe Kent Nelson: Chriss Angel copycat, Mister Terrific: Serial Killer or Johnny Thunder: pimp extraordinaire. Well, its just something else Smallville did much, much better then Berlanti. It really gave the JSA respect. I'm used to Arrow (post Season 2) and Supergirl being inferior to Smallville, but not Flash. I've always wanted to see more of the JSA characters in live action, and Berlanti & Co just seem to have something against the characters. It could be worse, though. They could somehow try to use Power Girl in Supergirl 
I didn't make it home from soccer practice in time to watch the episode, but did catch the final few minutes, and I'm not sure I'm going to end up watching the rest of the season because this whole "fakeout" thing with Jay/Hunter Zolomon/Zoom just doesn't work for me; it's essentially the same story idea as what happened with Thawne/Wells in Season 1, which is what the PtBs said they weren't going to do, and it bugs me... which is sad since I'd really been enjoying the season.
Are we just putting too many expectations on a show called "Flash" about a television adaptation of Barry Allen on the CW network?
Any expectations beyond that, involving the JSA and any other character, truly is on us and not the creators of the show.
Now if the show was called "Justice!" and featured an update on the JSA that would be one thing. But it's not and it's kinda unfair for us to have any expectations beyond the premise of the show and what it set out to do.
Any expectations beyond that, involving the JSA and any other character, truly is on us and not the creators of the show.
Now if the show was called "Justice!" and featured an update on the JSA that would be one thing. But it's not and it's kinda unfair for us to have any expectations beyond the premise of the show and what it set out to do.
So if Zoom is Zolomon and Jay doesn't exist, then who the heck did Zoom murder at the end of one episode where he was carrying "dead" Jay's body?
A time-displaced double (time remnant).
Why would you even bother bringing in Jay Garrick if you're just going to have him be the random alias of a serial killer? I'm hugely disappointed in this unless they pull some last-minute twist. I don't think at this point the man in the iron mask is Jay, I think it's
since we know he's coming back and Zolomon's whole "you'd never believe me" thing.
But then, why waste Atom Smasher and Red Tornado on throwaway villain roles, or not even bother to make it clear if Wildcat had died, or...
And really there's too much here that doesn't make sense. As if a monster like Zolomon would submit to being murdered by his future self in the first place. How did nobody on Earth 2 question what happened to Hunter Zolmon? How did nobody wonder where Jay Garrick came from? How did nobody connect the dots there when all he did was cut his hair?
90s Flash
But then, why waste Atom Smasher and Red Tornado on throwaway villain roles, or not even bother to make it clear if Wildcat had died, or...
And really there's too much here that doesn't make sense. As if a monster like Zolomon would submit to being murdered by his future self in the first place. How did nobody on Earth 2 question what happened to Hunter Zolmon? How did nobody wonder where Jay Garrick came from? How did nobody connect the dots there when all he did was cut his hair?
Hunter Zolomon had a full Charles Manson-style beard, and "Jay Garrick" didn't. Facial hair can very much change a person's face, to the point that they could easily be unrecognizable.