Rumor: the show takes place between TOS movies and TNG

[JWPlatt]

Allow me to start another rumour: The new Star Trek show will actually be set in the present day. It will be a meta show about the production of a new Star Trek series. Would you watch that?

Yes, if they also show some completed episodes along the way. So it's not a "Making of..." but a fictionalized production making a real show. It's "Blunt Talk," if it were 1987, as a production of TNG with a touch of "My Favorite Year." Clever, actually.

 

[Tim Walker]

Would this meta show be a comedy like Galaxy Quest?

 

[BillJ]

Batman got so many reboots that I don't give a fuck about the character ... I know that if he dies in this movie, he'll be back in the next one. Star Trek is something COMPLETELY different!

Have you actually been paying attention to Star Trek?

 

[Oso Blanco]

Have you actually been paying attention to Star Trek?

Actually, I did ... did you?

 

[Mudd]

Actually, I did ... did you?

I'd guess that BillJ's doubt about your familiarity with Trek consists of the fact that characters have been dying and being brought arbitrarily back to life in Trek ever since the earliest days of the thing.

 

[JWPlatt]

How many in Trek have been reincarnated with a reboot? *

*The Search for Spock was not a reboot. Cause and Effect was not a reboot. Nor was the Nexus. The Abramsverse is really the only thing that fits Oso Blanco's complaint as an analogue to Batman reboots, Spiderman reboots, ad nauseum. How many main characters from TOS were reincarnated there?

 

[Oso Blanco]

your familiarity with Trek

No need to worry, I know my Trek very well. I was just trying to point out that I really don't care about some character's fate in the Nth reboot, because the next reboot will be right around the corner. Back then, "Generations" left me deeply disturbed because Captain Kirk died and the Enterprise D was destroyed. And that's because there is only one continuity in Trek! If it had been some random reality like the Batman movies, I wouldn't have cared the slightest ... Batman had so many incarnations that I don't care what happens to him. Reboot after reboot after reboot ... yawn!

 

[Mr Awe]

That's debatable Jack. TMP is seen by many to be a soft reboot. Yes they talk of the history a little, but in terms of sheer creative direction TMP is whole-cloth different from TOS. To my knowledge, not one bit of TMP has any real ties to TOS outside of the director's cut remaster where they put in a TOS shuttle in one scene.

TNG is also, in certain respects, a soft reboot. Yes it has some teriary ties and it has a cameo or two early on that makes it obvious they exist in the same universe... But you could honestly cut those out and TNG would basically be "Star Trek 2.0".

Nah, they're not reboots at all. They're continuations. The story has continued while the details have changed due to the passage of time. Simple. Shoot, the TNG has stories that reference TOS stories and events and TOS characters that carryover to TNG!

Mr Awe

 

[Nveid Jo'rek]

Indeed they are continuations. Take, for example:
-Khan Noonien Singh. Episode 22: Space Seed; Season 1, of all things...
The SS Botany Bay was discovered by the USS Enterprise. This was the first episode where the Eugenics Wars was mentioned, and Khan was established as a major villain (of the week). Khan attempted to take control of the Enterprise, but her crew managed to retake the vessel. As punishment, Khan was marooned on the Class L planet Ceti Alpha V.
Some years later, the USS Reliant was scouting the Ceti Alpha system for potential sites for the Genesis phase III experiment. And guess who was found in the Ceti Alpha system? Khan Noonien Singh.
So, not a reboot.

 

[BillJ]

What I take away from threads like this? Is that there are a lot of fans that aren't really in love with Star Trek, they're in love with the minutiae. The minutiae is a security blanket. Something they want unchanged in an ever changing world.

 

[RAMA]

The odds this rumor is true? Maybe 10-20% at best

 

[137th Gebirg]

What I take away from threads like this? Is that there are a lot of fans that aren't really in love with Star Trek, they're in love with the minutiae. The minutiae is a security blanket. Something they want unchanged in an ever changing world.

Vile sacrilege!! Blasphemous and profane untruths! You are NOT of the body!!

 

[Lynx]

Except, of course, that we have no idea if any of these "rumors" are true.

Let's not jump the gun here.

You're actually right.

But I still remember with horror those days of rumors about what would come after Voyager.

There were a lot of options discussed. I remember one rumor about a Starfleet Academy series taking place in the 24th century.

There were other rumors as well and I don't remember most of them now. Among all those rumors was some rumor about a retro series which would take place before TOS.

"Oh no, not that one!" was my immediate thought.

"They have this wonderful universe in the 24th century with a lot of possible storylines and lots of loose threads from TNG, DS9 and VOY to follow up. They can't be so stupid that they just abandon all of that and try to create some TOS before TOS. It would be as stupid as if a record company totally abandoned modern technology and would start to make 78 rpm records with the same technology as in 1930", I thought.

And then came ENT!

 

[Dukhat]

Rule #1: Wait until you read an official press release from CBS about their new Trek show before believing any internet BS.

Rule# 2: Repeat Rule #1.

 

[BillJ]

"They have this wonderful universe in the 24th century with a lot of possible storylines and lots of loose threads from TNG, DS9 and VOY to follow up. They can't be so stupid that they just abandon all of that and try to create some TOS before TOS. It would be as stupid as if a record company totally abandoned modern technology and would start to make 78 rpm records with the same technology as in 1930", I thought.

That universe that fewer and fewer people were watching every week. The writing was on the wall during Voyager's run and people were leaving en masse. Sinking more money into the 24th century would've been a poor choice.

 

[Rahul]

Have you actually been paying attention to Star Trek?

Actually, I did ... did you?

Well... I have. Don't know why you attributed this quote to me since you're clearly feuding with BillJ, but hey, now that you have already pulled me into that argument, I can agree with you on the topic.

A single continuity makes for a stronger narrative, since everything that happens actually has consequences. That's a big part of the appeal of for example the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Every change actually feels real. (and yes, it's a difference if a character "dies" and is resurrected by the plot (timetravel, clones etc.), or if someone dies and is resurrected via "we don't give a shit about this story anymore and start from scratch again")

 

[Nveid Jo'rek]

Reading all the arguments here, my only response is the above smiley.

BillJ, please include that your words are your own personal opinions. You might have a few souls agreeing with what you're saying, but you don't have 100% of the Star Trek fanhood behind you on your argument. Please note that you don't speak for all of us. I don't agree with what you're saying, but I am not inclined to contest your statement. I could care less that you think negatively of the Voyager script because I enjoyed Voyager, but it IS YOUR opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't start forcing us to agree with your statement.

 

[JWPlatt]

"Couldn't care less." Just saying.

At best, the universe doesn't matter. The writing does. If the writing is good, this debate about universe is pointless. I prefer Prime, but my own argument objectively refutes even that matters. But still, this fan wants Prime. Not that even that matters, because I'm not paying $6 to watch commercials. I'll buy the DVDs.

 

[Nveid Jo'rek]

Semantics...
I don't know about the whole "couldn't care less" bit. To me, it implies that I do care. Personally, I do feel it's possible to care less than not caring at all (reaching into the negative care scale). Not sure how, but I'm gambling on the remote possibility that there is a negative value to the care scale.

 

[Dukhat]

Reading all the arguments here, my only response is the above smiley.

BillJ, please include that your words are your own personal opinions. You might have a few souls agreeing with what you're saying, but you don't have 100% of the Star Trek fanhood behind you on your argument. Please note that you don't speak for all of us. I don't agree with what you're saying, but I am not inclined to contest your statement. I could care less that you think negatively of the Voyager script because I enjoyed Voyager, but it IS YOUR opinion. You are entitled to your opinion, but please don't start forcing us to agree with your statement.

So a newbie who just joined yesterday feels he can tell a veteran member how he's supposed to act here? Hilarious.