CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

[Michael Hinman]

In Trek's case, it's being licensed by CBS to Paramount to make the movies.

Kor

That is incorrect. Paramount owns the movie rights. We've been over this. Paramount would not have standing to sue for copyright infringement if it was only a licensee.

 

[Ion]

The prop collectors are a tiny fraction of fans, as it is an expensive hobby - especially Trek props. Alec is still able to put out well attended auctions, but even before the Axanar debacle Propworx went bankrupt so it's not clear if it is a viable business model. It may be kept alive purely by the discounted rent it's getting in the werehouse.

I'm under the impression that Peters is not exactly the best at managing money, so I woudn't necessarily count PropWorx's financial shenanigans as a bellwether for the market.

 

[Admiral Cain]

I'm under the impression that Peters is not exactly the best at managing money, so I woudn't necessarily count PropWorx's financial shenanigans as a bellwether for the market.

I guess I should clarify - I don't know if HIS business model is viable.

 

[Karzak]

EDIT: Jerry Goldsmith's score for TMP 'turgid'...

Seriously? Really? Which one of those pityfucks said that?

 

[Kor]

That is incorrect. Paramount owns the movie rights. We've been over this. Paramount would not have standing to sue for copyright infringement if it was only a licensee.

My bad.

Kor

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

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A conversation with Doe-vid Gerrold by Alec Peters?

That was certainly a turgid interview.

 

[Indysolo]

Seriously? Really? Which one of those pityfucks said that?

David Gerrold described the score to TMP as both "brilliant" and "turgid".

Neil

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

David Gerrold described the score to TMP as both "brilliant" and "turgid".

Neil

David Gerrold is just turgid.

 

[Trekkin]

Yet he helped create the series that nicked said 'turgid' music for its main titles.

 

[TribbleTrouble1]

The prop collectors are a tiny fraction of fans, as it is an expensive hobby - especially Trek props. Alec is still able to put out well attended auctions, but even before the Axanar debacle Propworx went bankrupt so it's not clear if it is a viable business model. It may be kept alive purely by the discounted rent it's getting in the werehouse.

I could be way off on this, but I seem to recall a quote from Alec somewhere saying that the original business model for Propworx was to deal directly and exclusively (or nearly so) with the studios to handle their prop auctions. On its surface it doesn't sound like a bad idea. Among other benefits, there's no question of authenticity since all of the props are directly from and certified by the studios themselves. However, what Alec discovered the hard way was that there just aren't enough studios with enough items to sell on a regular enough basis to sustain an ongoing auction business, and Propworx eventually went bankrupt in 2012 allegedly owing MGM among others hundreds of thousands of dollars.

What does not seem to be clear is the business model for the new Propworx entity that was incorporated in California last year and that he is running today. Is it a more traditional version of an auction house now consigning items from private sellers etc.? Is it online only? I don't know.

 

[OtherGene]

I like how Gerrold's shirt opens up at the end of the interview and we see his belly.

I was mesmerised by Peters' brown slip-ons. Now THAT'S Hollywood.

 

[BoredShipCapt'n]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm thinking I don't really need to be in a hurry.

From what I've read here about the conversation, it just tells me that Lord Axahat is not listening to his pro bono legal team's advice* to STFU. Surely, he must be thinking, his training as an attorney makes him a much better judge of appropriate behavior than those who work for him.

*If W&S have not advised AP & Co-conspirators to STFU, in my opinion they must be incompetent or just trying to lose.

They say lawyers make the worst clients. I guess that especially includes lawyers by training. A little training is a dangerous thing.

 

[Rincewiend]

David Gerrold described the score to TMP as both "brilliant" and "turgid".

Neil

They relly like to bite the hands that feeds them, don't they?!?

 

[HIjol]

"Turgid"...

One of the last words I would have thought to hear in a Thread commenting on and chronicling a Major Thiefing and Denial-Fest of a beloved franchise, and of two Major Media Corporations.

Perhaps one of these would serve?

bombastic, pompous, overblown, overripe, inflated, high-flown, affected, pretentious, grandiose, florid, flowery, ornate, magniloquent, grandiloquent, rhetorical, oratorical, orotund

 

[RedForman]

I haven't watched the video yet, but I'm thinking I don't really need to be in a hurry.

From what I've read here about the conversation, it just tells me that Lord Axahat is not listening to his pro bono legal team's advice* to STFU. Surely, he must be thinking, his training as an attorney makes him a much better judge of appropriate behavior than those who work for him.

*If W&S have not advised AP & Co-conspirators to STFU, in my opinion they must be incompetent or just trying to lose.

I'm still kind of surprised at DG (though that is dissipating with each passing day), but its almost like Lord Alec is trying to goad C/P into going all out on him (which they will anyways I'm sure).........his prop assets, the studio.........I'm sure once Klausner lets them off the leash, C/P will clean him out.

At least RMB has some good sense.......enough not to bloviate as much as these two windbags, not to mention Terry (who I don't think we've heard from in a while?)

 

[Search4]

I could be way off on this, but I seem to recall a quote from Alec somewhere saying that the original business model for Propworx was to deal directly and exclusively (or nearly so) with the studios to handle their prop auctions. On its surface it doesn't sound like a bad idea. Among other benefits, there's no question of authenticity since all of the props are directly from and certified by the studios themselves. However, what Alec discovered the hard way was that there just aren't enough studios with enough items to sell on a regular enough basis to sustain an ongoing auction business, and Propworx eventually went bankrupt in 2012 allegedly owing MGM among others hundreds of thousands of dollars.

What does not seem to be clear is the business model for the new Propworx entity that was incorporated in California last year and that he is running today. Is it a more traditional version of an auction house now consigning items from private sellers etc.? Is it online only? I don't know.

That's what he indicated at the time. He owed MGM over $300,000 according to the bankruptcy filing. Considering that he DID NOT pay for the props its hard to understand where those funds were spent.

 

[jaime]

Yeah Alec did.

J.J. Abrams is a Star Wars fan and because of this he claims that Episode VII is a fan film. The only problem with this 'belief' is that fan films are made by fans out of an appreciation of a particular franchise not by the source's copyright holders or original creators.

Ironically, if he just waits, Alien 5 would actually be closer to what he needs to back that up. Blomkamp basically combine reputation, fan art and fan fiction into a paying gig.
He is also fond of homage (I have seen Chappie yet, but damn Briaeros, you lost some weight.)

I don't think it will be much of a justification for Axanar though, and the key is....IP holder backing.

 

[HIjol]

All kidding aside, what you say above, Red, is along the lines of what I have been thinking for a while now...the "goading" part. I try to figure out people's motivations and thinking, in situations such as this, and perhaps I am looking for logic and reason in a place bereft of both???

 

[RedForman]

All kidding aside, what you say above, Red, is along the lines of what I have been thinking for a while now...the "goading" part. I try to figure out people's motivations and thinking, in situations such as this, and perhaps,Imam looking for logic and reason in a place bereft of both???

I think he's still arrogant & deluded enough to think he can come out of this clean (which would jive with the delaying tactics his counsel seems to be taking) - he's also got his facade to maintain, the one that keeps his acolytes so fiercely loyal (and keeps the money flowing). DG seems to have a touch of arrogance about him as well.

Others though that are wisely keeping quiet, or have jumped ship altogether know better (RMB seems torn at times between keeping his head down and his loyalty to Lord Alec + the project he's spent so much time on)

 

[HIjol]

I think he's still arrogant & deluded enough to think he can come out of this clean (which would jive with the delaying tactics his counsel seems to be taking) - he's also got his facade to maintain, the one that keeps his acolytes so fiercely loyal (and keeps the money flowing). DG seems to have a touch of arrogance about him as well.

Others though that are wisely keeping quiet, or have jumped ship altogether know better (RMB seems torn at times between keeping his head down and his loyalty to Lord Alec + the project he's spent so much time on)

From your Lips to the Head Legal Eagle's ears...I just cannot feature him imagining this will end well. I think he should consider the fate of the Kelvin, and what happened when it went into the maw of the Narada...only, he should imagine that the "reality alternaty" is that, instead of the Narada, he is steering inexorably for the bottomless epiglottis of the USS CBS-Paramount (NCC IP1).

And they do have money in the 21st Century.
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