New series: Enterprise-B or -C?

[Kemaiku]

^Yes, I read the article on Memory Alpha, which gives both as explanations.

The fact is, the models in the Enterprise D lounge are "artistic".

In the Enterprise E lounge in First Contact and Nemesis however, they are replaced with much more accurate models meant to represent the ships properly, and both include the more detailed and full versions of the Enterprise B and C as we see them in Generations and Yesterdays Enterprise.

The broken Enterprise C that Picard smashes is replaced by an identical one. These should be taken to be "correct".

They had those on E. (Picard smashes them in FC.)

Yup, I meant it would have been nice for them to do that from the beginning.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Actually, the only reason the Ent-B looked any different from a stock Excelsior was because they didn't want to damage the physical model which was, at the time, still being used. So the added bits were placed onto the secondary hull, so battle damage could be added without affecting the 'original' ship.

Used in DS9, you mean?

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[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ No, used in ST:Generations.

 

[Kemaiku]

Yup, the glue damaged the model anyway so they had to keep it like that, it's still painted up as the Lakota.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Here's the thing: Morrow states to Kirk that "The Enterprise is 20 years old," and "We feel her day is over."

Putting aside for the moment the fact that the Enterprise should actually be at least 30 years old at the time if not older, let's take Morrow's comments at face value.

You're right. By my math, it is more than 33 years old. Why do you put that aside?

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[Dukhat]

You're right. By my math, it is more than 33 years old. Why do you put that aside?

Because it's irrelevant to the discussion. Morrow thinks the Enterprise is 20 years old. He thinks 20 year old ships are obsolete and need to be decommissioned. Do you really think it would help Kirk's case if he told Morrow that the ship is actually 33 years old? All Morrow would think then is that the ship should have been decommissioned 13 years ago.

 

[Longinus]

There already is a recent thread about the age of Enterprise. No reason to repeat the discussion here.

 

[cultcross]

Pretty much the one ship we can 100% guarantee the new show won't be set on is the 1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. So how old it is is really neither here nor there.

 

[Longinus]

Pretty much the one ship we can 100% guarantee the new show won't be set on is the 1701, no bloody A, B, C or D. So how old it is is really neither here nor there.

Except maybe it is a show about Robert April! (Unlikely, sure, but not completely impossible.)

 

[cultcross]

OK, i withdraw the 100%, but with the movies continuing, I would say it's extremely unlikely we'd have a TV show set on the same ship.

Unless it's a lower decks series set between the movies.... Star Trek: Redshirts

 

[MarsWeeps]

I heard from a fairly reliable source (75% accuracy in the past) that the new series is going to center on a construction base where the main characters will be responsible for building Jeffries tubes for various Starships. Different ships will visit the base for repair or to have new Jeffries tubes retrofitted.

In some cases, there will be emergencies where they will have to leave the base for field service, replacing Jeffries tubes on stranded ships or ships that can't make it to the base.

Sounds strange but I think this is the change that Trek needs to survive!

 

[Dukhat]

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

the new series is going to center on a construction base where the main characters will be responsible for building Jeffries tubes for various Starships. Different ships will visit the base for repair or to have new Jeffries tubes retrofitted.

The theme song will, of course, be performed by The Tubes.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

Except maybe it is a show about Robert April! (Unlikely, sure, but not completely impossible.)

I like the idea about a show with April as Captain (and maybe Pike as First Officer)!

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[sojourner]

They could end every episode with an April Fools joke!

 

[PhaserLightShow]

^ No, used in ST:Generations.

I am referring to the original Excelsior. I knew you referring to the Enterprise-B.

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[OpenMaw]

I disagree, the Enterprise took one shot that went completely through the saucer without detonating (lucky) causing localized damage. Yes she was knocked around, but no major systems when down, and while the shield did weaken (typical of battle) they never failed.

The ship was hardly "a wreak."

They did go down, actually. Scotty says "Shields collapsing" right before the hull is compromised. Spock relays that "Auxiliary circuits destroyed, captain" earlier in the battle. That indicates that the mains were offline already. The Enterprise got the utter crap beat out of her in that battle. She had hits all along the primary and secondary hull. She took far more hits than her predecessor did in TWOK. Said ship was going to be decommissioned in that situation, too.

Which, in my view, makes Uhura's comment about being decommissioned all the more about the entire package. They're retiring, and the Enterprise is going to be put out to pasture. Ever since I was a boy I took Kirk's ending log to be speaking of the ship in spirit. Knowing, that another Enterprise was likely on the way.

Where do you get the idea that she is "outdated," as recently as The Final Frontier Starfleet was having new models constructed. Supposedly there were Constitutions present at the battle of Wolf 359, several decades after Khitomer.

The fact that the general design is some 40 plus years old at the time of the engagement, that it has been previously referred to as old. That the original refitted Enterprise herself was relegated to training duty. That next generation starships were being constructed and fielded for some years now.

The only evidence of new ships being built is that of the Enterprise-A herself. We never see any other ships of the Constitution class with new registries. The Yorktown and other ships are all, as far as I've ever been aware, part of the original Constitution fleet.

At the end of the battle of Khitomer the Enterprise was lightly damaged and fully functional, patch up the hull and send her out again with a new crew.

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I simply don't see it that way.

 

[Phily B]

I'd love to see the Enterprise-C, lots of possibilities there. Cardassians and Klingons seemed pretty hostile again.

 

[PhaserLightShow]

I'd love to see the Enterprise-C, lots of possibilities there. Cardassians and Klingons seemed pretty hostile again.

With a series involving the E-C, they should definitely bring back the actors for Capt. Garret and Lt. Castillo and the last episode should be about the battle of Narendra III (and the part after Lt. Yar and the Enterprise C came back), but other parts of the Enterprise's journey are important too!

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[PhaserLightShow]

They did go down, actually. Scotty says "Shields collapsing" right before the hull is compromised. Spock relays that "Auxiliary circuits destroyed, captain" earlier in the battle. That indicates that the mains were offline already. The Enterprise got the utter crap beat out of her in that battle. She had hits all along the primary and secondary hull. She took far more hits than her predecessor did in TWOK. Said ship was going to be decommissioned in that situation, too.

Which, in my view, makes Uhura's comment about being decommissioned all the more about the entire package. They're retiring, and the Enterprise is going to be put out to pasture. Ever since I was a boy I took Kirk's ending log to be speaking of the ship in spirit. Knowing, that another Enterprise was likely on the way.



The fact that the general design is some 40 plus years old at the time of the engagement, that it has been previously referred to as old. That the original refitted Enterprise herself was relegated to training duty. That next generation starships were being constructed and fielded for some years now.

The only evidence of new ships being built is that of the Enterprise-A herself. We never see any other ships of the Constitution class with new registries. The Yorktown and other ships are all, as far as I've ever been aware, part of the original Constitution fleet.



I simply don't see it that way.

What do you mean by "Kirk meant it in spirit"? A ship is a ship with no spirit. He talked about the E-A. He said "this ship" while on 1701A so he meant 1701A.

And the Enterprise-A is not Constitution Class. It is Enterprise-Class.

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