Is that a TNG episode?
Wesley Crusher... am I the only one not annoyed by him?
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Is that a TNG episode?
Apparently, the actor, Will Wheaton didn't like his character.
When I go against the actor, I feel like I am going against a fact, not an opinion. However, I did like when the actor (the real Will Wheaton) spoke out against bullying, which is what I think people are using against him.
http://www.webpronews.com/wil-wheaton-has-advice-for-kids-being-bullied-2014-03/
When I go against the actor, I feel like I am going against a fact, not an opinion. However, I did like when the actor (the real Will Wheaton) spoke out against bullying, which is what I think people are using against him.
http://www.webpronews.com/wil-wheaton-has-advice-for-kids-being-bullied-2014-03/
Wesley was declared, pronounced and acknowledged as "The Next Step in Human Evolution," during the episode Journey's End. The pilot episode Emissary, for DS9 had Kai Opaka inform Benjamin Sisko that he was, in fact, The Emissary - the fulfillment of scripture and Bible Prophesy, within the Bajoran faith.
And humanity.
I was going to post the other day. I'm on season five on my rewatch, and I was going to pipe up when I watched The Game, which was typical of poor Wesley episodes from season one. He was the only one who could see that the game was addictive as the silly adults were all to naive to think there was something suspicious. He also rebooted Data and saved the day. Meh.
However I plodded on, and instead what made me want to post was seeing The First Duty just. What a belter of an episode! They made him seem like a real person with flaws in this one, and I forgot how much I loved it. Easily his best episode, but also one of the best that year.
I think pairing him off with Picard usually gave him great scenes.
However I plodded on, and instead what made me want to post was seeing The First Duty just. What a belter of an episode! They made him seem like a real person with flaws in this one, and I forgot how much I loved it. Easily his best episode, but also one of the best that year.
I think pairing him off with Picard usually gave him great scenes.
Season 2+ Wes is fine, I think once he was out of the ridiculous sweaters he was fine.
Jake "annoyed" me more, mostly because it seemed he was written... anachronisticly. He was a whiny, petulant 20th century teenager who struggled with his math homework. This in an advanced society where, according to an episode of TNG, "middle school" aged kids are taught Calculus. (Maybe extreme, but with an advanced, year-round scholl system focused on educating with longer school days and advanced teaching techniques not impossible.)
I swear there's an episodd of DS9 where Jake is, like, failing Algebra or something when he's 14.
More "realistically" written? For a 20th/21st century teen sure, not so much for a 24th century one.
Jake "annoyed" me more, mostly because it seemed he was written... anachronisticly. He was a whiny, petulant 20th century teenager who struggled with his math homework. This in an advanced society where, according to an episode of TNG, "middle school" aged kids are taught Calculus. (Maybe extreme, but with an advanced, year-round scholl system focused on educating with longer school days and advanced teaching techniques not impossible.)
I swear there's an episodd of DS9 where Jake is, like, failing Algebra or something when he's 14.
More "realistically" written? For a 20th/21st century teen sure, not so much for a 24th century one.
This is brought up quite a lot but could hardly be considered an objective view.
I also was never annoyed by Wesley. I like him. He is a smart boy on the Enterprise who knows his stuff to be an engineer or helmsman (think of Picard saying: "Thank you, Conn."). I also never got the hate. There is a similar thing in another science fiction series: Doctor Who (British). There is this character named Adric. He joined the Fourth Doctor was played by Tom Baker (Adric died with the Fifth Doctor; Peter Davison). He, like Wesley, is very intelligent. I don't understand the hate towards him either. Why is Wesley so hated??????
I've never been entirely sure. Although I think ironically he might have been less annoying if we saw more of the "rookie" or "inexperienced" supporting crew members like Gomez, Lefler, Barclay, even the more confident but junior officers like Ogawa, Taurik (who managed to annoy me more in one episode than Wes managed in 3.5 seasons) and teams of enlisted personnel, rather than the narrative focusing almost entirely around the senior officers, his flaws would be less obvious by comparision (IMO the SeaQuest franchise's Lucas Lucas Wolenczak benefited from this compared to Wesley)?
I really enjoyed those episodes, especially since I was around his age when they aired. I always felt like I was either enjoying the story or learning/being reminded of a good lesson without being "talked down to" - if that makes any sense. I certainly do not dislike his character.
It reminds me of the hate that Jar Jar Binks and Anakin Skywalker got with the Star Wars Prequels. Yes, they are a little naive and annoying, but their characters are suppose to represent and entertain kids (especially since it is Star Wars.)
You make a really good point. When fans bring up Neelix (since he is typically referred to as the "Jar Jar of Trek"), I tend to stand up for the character, even his message flaw about being SUPER CREEPY jealous of Kes. For me, I saw it as a Trek learning lesson, especially to a younger viewer that jealousy at that level isn't a good thing and isn't healthy to a relationship. I feel like especially in Trek, even the underdeveloped characters certainly still serve purposes that make them a useful character to the story lines.
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What if Rick Berman actually explored that theme for a TNG movie, and added the Borg in the mix as antagonists?
I take it nobody has covered Wesley Crusher's disillusion of Starfleet once the Maquis started to come into focus on Season 8. Wesley Crusher being annoying on Season 1 notwithstanding, that must sting seeing Wesley Crusher losing all admiration towards Starfleet when he started seeing the plight of the Maquis; settlers being forced to abandon their homes "cebause" it was territory handed back over to the Cardassians. I mean, does anybody else have anything to add to that?
He is extremely irritating when he gushes over Picard which he does several times throughout the run. That's what pushes him deep into the irritating zone. There's nothing then to commend him that pulls him out of the irritating zone. He's an indifferent character otherwise. The boy genius Mozart shtick is fine but having a boy-wonder as part of the ensemble is fairly pedestrian really. It's almost as old hat as having a Neelix-esdque court jester on the squad.
His fair episodes are The First Duty and Journey's End. But the fact his 'genius' never really goes anywhere coherently confirms him as a very underwhelming character. Wheaton's range as an actor seems limited enough; so it's hard to see what else could be done with him. .
His fair episodes are The First Duty and Journey's End. But the fact his 'genius' never really goes anywhere coherently confirms him as a very underwhelming character. Wheaton's range as an actor seems limited enough; so it's hard to see what else could be done with him. .
Am I missing an inside joke here? I don't know what your reference to "season 8" means - but I do love the topic of the Maquis and how it tested even the most loyal people of Starfleet in the characters we were following in TNG, DS9 and VOY to rethink things. As for "Season 8", I don't know what that means, unless I need to pull out that Warped book I was given for my birthday
Typo. It's supposed to be Season 7. Can't really tell which numeric key am I striking when half the keyboard is under the rim of the desk...Am I missing an inside joke here? I don't know what your reference to "season 8" means - but I do love the topic of the Maquis and how it tested even the most loyal people of Starfleet in the characters we were following in TNG, DS9 and VOY to rethink things. As for "Season 8", I don't know what that means, unless I need to pull out that Warped book I was given for my birthday
