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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Sorry, should say:
Should say (again):
The show is called Star Trek for a reason. It's about exploring, not fighting, though there are obvious exceptions -- but they are exceptions, not the rule. You want lots of space battles, there's something else that tells you up front it has what you're looking for: Star Wars.
One, I don't like Star Wars.
Two, if Star Trek is not about fighting then the FASA STSTCS and all other tactical combat games are useless and not in keeping with Star Trek.
So why do they exist? I agree with you, but I have a question.
 
If Star Trek is not about fighting then the FASA STSTCS and all other tactical combat games are useless and not in keeping with Star Trek.
So why do they exist? I agree with you, but I have a question.

Just material aimed at a small subset of fandom that likes military sci-fi.
 
But that really wasn't "Roddenberry's Vision" later in his life. He was very against the militarization of Star Trek.

So it's tough for me to buy Axanar's claims of being pure distilled Star Trek.
Roddenberry is dead. So then how does his ideas matter anymore. He can't talk to us. He's dead. Gone forever.
Besides, even if Gene was alive, how does his opinion matter if it stops Star Trek from having a good story (more battle drama, for example).
 
Besides, even if Gene was alive, how does his opinion matter if it stops Star Trek from having a good story (more battle drama, for example).

It isn't his opinion that matters. It is the fact that the Axanar folks have used some folks dislike of the Abrams films as a marketing tool to raise funds. Regularly using "True Trek" and "Roddenberry's Vision" to get the less than observant to open their wallets.
 
There were space battles in TNG whilst Gene was around. It's not like it was some kind of sacrosanct ban. He just preferred not have have Starfleet be about a lot of shooting. Fans too often paint such general rules as if they where some kind of inviolable commandments.
 
There were space battles in TNG whilst Gene was around. It's not like it was some kind of sacrosanct ban. He just preferred not have have Starfleet be about a lot of shooting. Fans too often paint such general rules as if they where some kind of inviolable commandments.

I didn't say there was a ban on shooting. Just that Roddenberry was against the militarization of Trek later in his life.
 
I don't have anyone on ignore YET..........but I don't understand half of what he posts. But he seems to think he is extremely witty. He could be and I might just have a very low IQ.....who knows.

Nah... You have a high IQ - I mean, if you had a low IQ, you would do silly things like steal somebody else's intellectual property

Roddenberry is dead. So then how does his ideas matter anymore.

1) You should have had a question mark at the end of that...

2) His ideas matter because he created Star Trek and the ideals and plots that have followed every episode since the original series

3) Why should CBS/Paramount be made to buy the Axanar script if they don't want to...? What Peters and the Axanar Productions people have done is wrong and they need to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.

Yes, I thought Prelude's story telling was good, but, and this is my own opinion, I was not all that happy with the long wait for a three minute scene. Yes, I donated a small amount to the production costs, and they find no record of it so I get nothing...
 
Having such militarization be from before Kirk's era would still make sense. Starfleet pulling out of its war days and into a era of deep space exploration. Having the few battles mentions be part of a conflict with the Klingons also makes sense since the Romulans were basically unheard of for a century. That and the long conflict with the Klingons makes the idea not entirely improbable.

The concept of the Four Years War does work, or at least can work. War in Star Trek. At least with the Klingons rather than the Dominion, it was more a matter of Starfleet being outnumbered and partly unprepared. With the Dominion War, it seems more luck that the Federation survives at all.

Against the Klingons, the technology difference is not as great, and the back and forth would be easier to simulate based on real world context. With the Dominion, while it worked in Deep Space Nine, Divine Intervention was basically the only thing that saves the Federation. That and the roughly 70,000 light years between the Federation and Dominion without the wormhole.

Also the Four Years War seems to work as a mixed metaphor for the First World War with the lines going back and forth and the war not having a true end, but a delayed ending. The Federation finally beating the Klingons back to their own borders via technological improvements and possibly causing an internal power struggle in the Empire which then calls off the war to deal with internal matters. The Federation agrees since the Vulcans at least would want peace to prevail, and keep Starfleet from becoming the aggressors. I can't say if there would be reparations like at the end of the Great War. All we know is that the Klingons seems upset at the Federation over resources and feeling surrounded. The Organians stopping the second war from really starting thus pushing the two powers into a prolonged Cold War, ending only when the Klingons can no longer afford it.

One could speculate that the ending of their Cold War wasn't really the end of their conflict, but the events of Naranda III with the Enterprise-C defending Klingons to the death made the final impression on the Empire about the Federation. Though that peace lasted until the Dominion came and soiled the treaties, though that was ultimately resolved with a far better alliance to combat the Dominion in the end.
 
It isn't his opinion that matters. It is the fact that the Axanar folks have used some folks dislike of the Abrams films as a marketing tool to raise funds. Regularly using "True Trek" and "Roddenberry's Vision" to get the less than observant to open their wallets.
This, and anything else they needed to say to keep the money flowing.
 
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PRO TIP: Sitting in a certain seat at the Roddenberry booth at Wondercon 2016 yesterday. That's a backdrop sheet of the bridge set behind it. The armrest panels lit up and the chair swiveled a bit. Still a better movie than Axanar.
 
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