Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

[Guy Gardener]

So my mother's making her way through the first season, and it's gotten me wondering: Eobard Thawne only moved up the particle accelerator explosion by five years, right? Was that really worth 15 years of effort masquerading as Wells? With all his science know-how and powers, wouldn't he have had more fun becoming rich and sipping piña coladas with beautiful women in Aruba all that time? What was so great about his future that he wanted so badly to get back there, anyway? And was someone who looked suspiciously like Harrison Wells racking up huge escort service tabs in Coast City all those years when Barry was learning high-school physics?

What part of irrational psychopath do you not get?

Earlier there was an allusion that Barry "caused" the death of someone Thawne loved.

It was a line like "you know what you did".

Maybe his child died, or maybe this is all because Barry splashed him with puddle water from a gutter and got his suit wet?

An element of "regular" sex is to reach peak levels, or at the least to increase your heart rate. That's not going to happen with a speedster boning at regular human speed. Which means that Eobard learnt tantric sex, or he melts and vaporizes women with his speed-dong.

Maybe he's got family in the future?

Although consider how we saw Thawne a couple weeks back on his way to kill Barry's mother, and he Knows NOTHING about a century ago that Gideon, a computer program invented and built by Barry Allen tells him is the "real" past, it's more than possible that Gideon is telling Thawne about a fantasy timeline that doesn't exist. This would mean that Thawne was living up to history and changing nothing, and the particle accelerator is always built when it's built because the Reverse Flash always kills Harrison Wells and there is no original time line where the accelerator is built 5 years later upstream.

 

[The Old Mixer]

So...Iris's boss is all on about exposing corrupt people while he's dating an employee.

 

[sojourner]

Hehe, Barry pulled a Sheldon at the end.

 

[Christopher]

I was hoping that in this episode, we'd see them working on a dimension-crossing device, and that at the end of the episode, Barry would get lost between dimensions, setting up next week's Supergirl crossover. No such luck. I wonder if the events of the Supergirl episode will be referenced in this show at all.

Interesting how the Trajectory story served to answer some of the mysteries about Zoom. I guess Zoom is the same kind of split-personality deal for Jay, although that doesn't explain how there are two of him.

The bit about Trajectory tearing down a bridge would've worked better if it had been a suspension bridge, as in the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster. That was clearly the idea, that she was setting up a sympathetic resonance to make the bridge destroy itself. I'm not sure that makes sense with the kind of bridge they used instead.

I didn't care for the stuff with Iris and her boss. Even aside from the clumsy attempt at a romance, they weren't even addressing the tenets of good journalism -- like finding out the facts before publishing a negative story -- and were just about what side they were on and what bias they wanted to sell. Cat Grant would be disappointed in both of them.

 

[Turtletrekker]

The bit about Trajectory tearing down a bridge would've worked better if it had been a suspension bridge, as in the Tacoma Narrows Bridge disaster.

Ah, "Galloping Gertie". She's a bit of a legend around these parts. You can still dive down under the new bridge and see the wreckage (although you're not supposed to).

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[Tuskin38]

I was hoping that in this episode, we'd see them working on a dimension-crossing device, and that at the end of the episode, Barry would get lost between dimensions, setting up next week's Supergirl crossover. No such luck. I wonder if the events of the Supergirl episode will be referenced in this show at all.

I'm guessing they couldn't get the episodes to line up.

 

[Dick Whitman]

It was mentioned in an interview that in the next episode of the Flash we see Barry's trip and return from Supergirl. From the prescriptive of the others Barry is only gone for a few moments. We see some type of funny reaction from Barry to what he just experienced.

 

[Christopher]

It was mentioned in an interview that in the next episode of the Flash we see Barry's trip and return from Supergirl. From the prescriptive of the others Barry is only gone for a few moments. We see some type of funny reaction from Barry to what he just experienced.

Okay... but that frustrates the part of me that likes things to be nice and chronologically linear. Still, I guess it's in keeping with the way comic-book crossovers would be experienced, where you can only read one at a time and have to deal with things being a little out of order.

 

[The Old Mixer]

I think it's a realistic way for them to handle it considering the shows are on two different networks. I was impressed just to see a Supergirl commercial during The Flash. "The Flash is going to be on CBS Monday night--Screw you, Crazy Ex-Girlfriend!"

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Damn! I'd been watching news networks all day due to the bombing in Brussels, that I forgot Flash came back on TV tonight. I think I have my DVR set to record all CW shows, so I'll catch it later.

 

[Gryffindorian]

That was a shocking reveal for me, but I suppose it makes sense, or does it? There have been all kinds of speculations on Zoom's real identity. It seems farfetched to think they are one and the same person, but given the split personality disorder, Jay/Zoom is a strange case of Jekyll and Hyde.

Is it possible Jay might not be aware of his alter ego? He was fighting Zoom at one point before he got sucked into the vortex (unless that was a fabricated story). On Earth 1 he'd had plenty of opportunity to siphon off Barry's speed, but Jay didn't do that. Zoom manipulated Wells to do it for him. And there's still the man in the iron mask.

 

[tomalak301]

The show answered my question regarding the lightning and why the color change. That made me so happy. Also really surprised Team Flash knows about Jay the very next episode after the audience knew. I thought they would have saved it for the second to last episode or the finale. Overall great episode and return from hiatus. I do agree with the Iris/Boss plot. That felt awkward and just out of place.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Velocity Nine gave Trajectory a split personality.

Is that's what's happening with Jay?

When we saw both of them together, were we just sharing Jay's hallucinations?

Naaaah.

Gotta be Earth 2 Thawne, or Jay from different points in his own timeline.

 

[Finn]

So...Why was the Reverse Flash's lighting red?

 

[Mr Light]

My theory: Trajectory didn't die there, she ran through the Bleed into Earth-2. This episode was establishing how Zoom has the ability to run between dimensions at will.

And, clearly, every time you do this, you show up nekkid in the other world like a Terminator I was seriously expecting a post-credits tag of Trajectory appearing naked in Earth-2 and getting promptly snapped up by Zoom.

 

[Guy Gardener]

So...Why was the Reverse Flash's lighting red?

His wheel chair sucked off speed from Barry.

Processed, refined and concentrated speed force.

Of course Thawne's lightning was red before Barry became his speed reservoir, so never mind.

 

[Finn]

^something like that. It also occurred to me that Thawne may have taken something to give him speed, that wasn't velocity 9. The red was an side affect of that...drug.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Velocity 93.

How does red shift work?

Barry is from the past moving into the future.

Eobard is from the Future moving into the past.

Or...

Speed force changes colour per era.

(Randomly changing colour or systematically changing colour if time has it's own ecology.)

If that was true, then when they first tapped the speed force (the lighting strike/particle accelerator explosion), is maybe their only connection to the speed force, and they're tethered to it.

 

[Christopher]

I think I found the interview Dick Whitman mentioned yesterday, with Andrew Kreisberg talking to Entertainment Weekly about the crossover. According to it, the Flash scene setting up the crossover won't be until the April 5 episode, 8 days after the crossover. That's even more frustrating than having them on consecutive days. Too bad the two networks couldn't coordinate the timing better. I'm almost tempted to record the Supergirl episode and wait a week to watch it, although I know I won't be able to resist watching it "live."

 

[Guy Gardener]

If you decide to wait a week.

You'll have to sequester yourself away form the Trekbbs as well.