TMP is my favorite Star Trek movie.
6 reasons Beyond will be the biggest ST movie yet
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TMP is my favorite Star Trek movie.
I'd be interested to see your source for FF viewing demographics. I have the impression that it's very popular with white viewers. Maybe the difference is it's EXTRA popular with non-whites?
Anyway, if Trek can substantially broaden its base, I'll be very happy.
Same old "Nu Trek is DOOOMED!" mantra.
The difference between Beyond and Ghostbusters trailer is: the Beyond trailer was poorly put together; the Ghostbusters trailer is cringe-inducingly unfunny. And an edit can be fixed, but if a joke is bad, it's bad.
The Beyond trailer was a little notifier that shooting was done and the final cut was in the works. When the serious promotion starts, you will notice it (and I assume you will say "They are promoting too much they must be so worried!").
And as has been repeatedly said by many people, reshoots are normal.
@eyeresist: Dude, would you please stop laying words in my mouth?
There's a very big difference between "quality" and "box office".
Beyond is pretty much guaranteed to make a big profit. The question is if it will meet box office expectations, and what exactly those expectations are. A troubled production doesn't automatically mean a bad movie (see the examples of the many posters). It just means it's harder to turn it into a good movie. SPECTRE was an awfull movie, didn't meet expectations, and still made an awfull lot of money.
A big budget cut and a lackluster first trailer indicate adjusted expectations. But it WILL make a big profit. Much like Amazing Spiderman, Man of Steel, Transformers et al.the IP itself guarantees already audience awareness and a big viewership. I only hope it will also turn out good, and that is pretty much open in the air at this point.
There's a very big difference between "quality" and "box office".
Beyond is pretty much guaranteed to make a big profit. The question is if it will meet box office expectations, and what exactly those expectations are. A troubled production doesn't automatically mean a bad movie (see the examples of the many posters). It just means it's harder to turn it into a good movie. SPECTRE was an awfull movie, didn't meet expectations, and still made an awfull lot of money.
A big budget cut and a lackluster first trailer indicate adjusted expectations. But it WILL make a big profit. Much like Amazing Spiderman, Man of Steel, Transformers et al.the IP itself guarantees already audience awareness and a big viewership. I only hope it will also turn out good, and that is pretty much open in the air at this point.
My point exactly. A "troubled" production does not necessarily mean a flawed or unsuccessful final product.
The demographics for the most recent FF movie have been widely reported. Google "Fast and Furious demographics" and about 10 articles will come up about this. Here's a link to the CNN article: http://money.cnn.com/2015/04/06/media/fast-and-furious-diverse-box-office/
The people primarily interested in Trek are white people over 25 years of age.
Which has to change or else Trek will die out.
Later on, Jose Tyler was retconned as half Latino. I can't remember if that was from novels or comics, or both (or if it maybe came from some behind-the-scenes memos or whatever).
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FTFY.
Nope, The Beyond trailer was one of the most watched in history. For one that caught so much criticism, the vast majority liked it, over two-thirds. It bodes well for the production. One popular trailer and everyone will be talking about it again.
Any sources to back that up...?
Link to the official Paramount trailer. Hits now above 14 million.
That's more than ST09 and STiD combined.
Of those bothering to vote, 2/3 voted thumbs up.
That's like... half as many views as the ghostbusters trailer on youtube (27 mio.), and 50 mio. viewers less than Batman v. Superman:
Ant-Man has 21 mio. views. Still a far cry from "one of the most watched in history".
Which leads to only one logical conclusion: More people internationally have internet access and youtube than before...
Ant-Man has 21 mio. views. Still a far cry from "one of the most watched in history".
Which leads to only one logical conclusion: More people internationally have internet access and youtube than before...
Thanks for responding. I wonder how the hell they measure something like that?
The Beyond trailer is a flop. Even the people who made the movie don't like it.
14M isn't really an impressive number. There's movies I've barely even heard of that have trailers with more views than that.
The only reason STB's trailer has more views on a single YouTube video than ST09/STID is because STB's trailer has all it's views concentrated primarily on one upload. The trailers of the other two films had their views spread across different platforms and channels.
14M isn't really an impressive number. There's movies I've barely even heard of that have trailers with more views than that.
The only reason STB's trailer has more views on a single YouTube video than ST09/STID is because STB's trailer has all it's views concentrated primarily on one upload. The trailers of the other two films had their views spread across different platforms and channels.
There were two main video links on Youtube, Paramount and Star Trek's site as well as others. When i was keeping count on the trailer thread the views amounted to over 35 million, so not counting all the other ways people have to see trailers (streaming video, etc) I'd estimate it got 40 million+ views. At one point, they were running close to the Star Wars teaser trailer in views during a 10 day period. It's easily in the top ten trailers in history.
I'm going to go ahead and estimate that Beyond will make $550 million. For STID I guessed $500 million and it made $466 million..so pretty close. With disc sales STID made almost $550 million, but optical media sales are falling, so we'll need another way to count streaming media or other movie purchases.
it remains to be seen if $550 million would be enough for Paramount, who want a $1 billion blockbuster. What they don't really understand though, is that Star Trek, despite alternating between apathy and popularity in the general public over the years, is still basically a niche franchise. It'll never be a Star Wars..
it remains to be seen if $550 million would be enough for Paramount, who want a $1 billion blockbuster. What they don't really understand though, is that Star Trek, despite alternating between apathy and popularity in the general public over the years, is still basically a niche franchise. It'll never be a Star Wars..
How are you arriving at 40M? The trailer on the Paramount site IS the YoutTube video.
