Very enjoyable episode. Thanks, especially, for the Red Cross/Minions analogy. Alec's interpretation of nonprofit law belongs in a Kafka novel.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Very enjoyable episode. Thanks, especially, for the Red Cross/Minions analogy. Alec's interpretation of nonprofit law belongs in a Kafka novel.
Who's the woman with Peters?
A difficulty a number of people here might have with your comments is that they are not specific. There are a very large number of accurate, insightful, truthful, meaningful observations here about what is wrong, not Trek-spirited, a ripoff of donors, and falsely stated about the Axanar project. If you have a problem with a particular comment, call out that comment. It does happen here when something really seems to cross the line.
As far as "letting the legal process happen", there is absolutely nothing wrong with independently examining the public information about this project and finding ways to state that information which may assist in the insightful analysis of the project by the attorneys of either side. No one here is obliged to stand aside and let the attorneys and parties be the only analyzers of the situation. Those parties can ignore everything here if they want, but I just bet you they do read it, and find information to assist them.
As far as courtesy, yes, I favor courtesy, and no, I don't enjoy personal attacks; and people do call them out if they happen. But it is a bit of a straw man, in my own estimation, to imagine that the Axanar situation is equivalent to day to day chatting about one's favorite episode. Personally I have had some regard for some things Alec has done making props/costumes survive where otherwise they might have been sent to the dumpster. But the current situation is taking a million, and saying you need a million more, with no product to show, for a fan film. And openly defying copyright in multiple ways. It warrants sharper observations than the weather. A few Star Wars memes are to be expected.
As for IDIC, I would respectfully submit to you that if you want to look at Trek canon, you will not see IDIC meaning "whatever happens is to be accepted because it is one of the infinite combinations of existence". In fact, quite the opposite. IDIC supports *understanding and not fearing* what is before you, but not *tolerating* that which upon clear sight and welcoming of diversity, is *still* not acceptable. In the first TNG episode, did they leave the creature trapped? In TOS, did they settle down to worship ancient dieties? And in your personal life, do you refuse medical treatment because all microbes are protected by IDIC? Jains go most the way in this, it is possible to choose this, but most people find a balance that also applies some discernment about unacceptable situations.
Really, the difference between this thread and the heavily censored Axanar donors threads is that here, IDIC *is* being practised. People are trying to get at the *true nature* of what has happened. And while a number of people have finally been worn down by endless head-thumpers coming out of the Axanar camp, there has over the past months been some hope expressed that somehow they could sort it out with intelligence. Personally, each time I see a new pronouncement from the Axanar group, I harbor some small hope that they will say something which shows some sense and might salvage the situation in some way. But like others, because of what the Axanar project has concretely done and said and not because of any personal bias, I have pretty much come to the conclusion that the leadership at Axanar is simply oblivious to the rest of existence and apparently in it for themselves, having found some fans who would uncritically support a ponzi scheme of ever more needs, to build a studio, pay themselves, and maybe eventually also make the film, all out of direct copying of creative work they do not own. Sorry to say it but that is the impression I now carry, because of the exact content of their words and actions.
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Well I wondered if she was a moderator from the convention, or someone part of the production who was answering questions.I'm curious as to why you're curious.
The former, I assume. Mary Anne Butler. https://twitter.com/MabIsTink
Chuckle. I for one am over having to explain any comments I make regarding Axanar. Considering the fact that if you put me and Alec in a shipping container, only one of us would have pissed away $2 million of other people's money, I think I am allowed a few shots now and again.
Agreed. It's entirely possible to have objections to the way Alec Peters and Axanar have conducted themselves and their business (and make no mistake - this has absolutely been a business for them) while the lawsuit is in progress. Likewise, it's easy to forget how, over the past four years (prior to the lawsuit) Axanar had some of the most vocal, stubborn, and vicious of defenders constantly on patrol and policing any discussion about Axanar anytime someone would criticize the production or Peters, or have anything less than absolute praise to say. Not all Axanar defenders behaved this way, but a whole lot of them did.
The majority of the "Star Trek: Axanar" thread here on this very board carried out that same pattern. Really, it just speaks to the epic insecurity and inferiority complex of Peters and his acolytes to see how so few voices (prior to the lawsuit) could have such a dramatic impact with their thoughts as to inspire such vitriolic and purposeful retaliation.
Also ironic: most of those same people have stayed out of this thread, barely making an appearance because lo and behold those of us who raised these issues all along or who had concerns or who dared to offer critical thoughts have now been proven right. And the small-mindedness of most Axanerds simply can't allow that Alec Peters has actually FUBAR'd the whole operation thanks to his shameless greed, inept leadership, brazen inexperience and echo chamber circle jerk philosophy on discussion.
Finally, Alec Peters, on top of everything, has been a raging asshole to just about everyone. He's burned bridges to save himself, he's demeaned others, attacked, insulted and tried to control the narrative of what has been happening and why the lawsuit was filed, willfully ignoring the truth and what the law means. It's that old chestnut of "Rules are not meant to be broken by anyone ... but its ok if I do it." He has been disrespectful to everyone -- from Tony Todd, all the way to his own fans, denigrating those who ask questions by citing how "cheap" they were by only donating small amounts of money to Axanar. He's demonstrably revealed his two faced nature by constantly shitting on the Abrams films but turning that right around to suck up to Justin Lin when Lin made a single tweet supporting fan films last week. Peters is an asshole, a hypocrite, and man-child with no concept of personal or professional consideration, boundaries or respect and we have multiple, multiple sources of evidence of proof to show for this.
So yes, there's a touch of schadenfreude at play here because, frankly, Alec Peters has all but insisted on it being a part of these proceedings with his shitty behavior, but it's also very much about people -- whether new to Axanar, or recently burned by Peters and Axanar for asking questions, or the group of us who have followed and been constantly osctracized for our hesitation to drink Alec's Axanar Kool-Aid -- watching as this trainwreck hurtles in slow-motion toward it's inevitable plunge into its own destruction.
If anyone should be worried about how they conduct themselves during these proceedings, it's Alec Goddamn Peters, who has doxxed, threatened, and mischaracterized the truth to any number of us and his loyal followers all so he can make a quick buck. Likewise those raging fanatics on the Axanar Fan Group could stand a dowsing of the cold water of reality too. It's going to be a hell of a hangover for them when they wake up from this Axanar bender, they just don't see it yet.
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The Sound of Music "look at all the F's I give" memes are just great.
I'm just going to leave this gem here.........(was posted before the lawsuit was filed, not sure whether it's gotten any play on previous pages yet)
So, here's that article: http://samuel-warde.com/2015/12/what-exactly-is-wrong-with-donald-trump/
Let's see what fits Peters....
"Clinical psychologist Ben Michaelis elaborated, pointing to Trump’s bullying nature as being consistent with the narcissistic profile.... "To degrade people is really part of a cluster-B personality disorder: it’s antisocial and shows a lack of remorse for other people. The way to make it O.K. to attack someone verbally, psychologically, or physically is to lower them. That’s what he’s doing.""
So, can we agree Peters bullies others? Threatening to sue and calling them haters and losers?
"Narcissists are not necessarily liars, but they are notoriously uncomfortable with the truth. The truth means the potential to feel ashamed. If all they have to show the world as a source of feeling acceptable is their success and performance, be it in business or sports or celebrity, then the risk of people seeing them fail or squander their success is so difficult to their self-esteem that they feel ashamed. We call it the narcissistic injury. They’re uncomfortable with their own limitations. It’s not that they’re cut out to lie, it’s just that they can’t handle what’s real."
Can we agree that Peters has troubles with the truth?
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