What happened to Lore?

[Terok Nor]

He was taken apart and had his emotion chip removed in Season 7 but would Starfleet or indeed Section 31 really leave it there?

It's hard to imagine a rare Soong-type Android just sitting in a storage locker somewhere collecting dust. Someone (maybe Bruce Maddox) would try to figure out what went wrong, reprogram him and reassemble him. I always expected Lore to show up in one of the TNG movies but we got yet another Soong android instead. With Data gone, could Starfleet resist the urge to revive Lore?

 

[bbjeg]

Lore was faulty. If Soong couldn't fix him, I doubt anyone else could, not to forget, Lore (as well as Data) was a lifeform and fixing him would be equivalent to Tom Riker getting a lobotomy to be more like Will for stealing the Defiant. It would just be wrong.

 

[Timo]

Soongian androids seem to pop up in the oddest places. Back when Maddox worried about Data, there only was one of them to study. Since then, Soong's own movements have been better tracked, and a trail of androids might well have been found, reducing odds of Lore being reassembled.

OTOH, what's to say Data would be less faulty than Lore? And fixing lifeforms is what doctors do - in Star Trek, explicitly against the patient's will in order to cure him or her or it of criminal tendencies. Tom Riker probably did get a lobotomy eventually!

Timo Saloniemi

 

[HIjol]

 

[Oso Blanco]

They should have used Lore in Nemesis, that would have made a lot more sense than finding yet another Soong type android that no one has ever heard of before.

 

[Timo]

Nobody had heard of Shinzon before, either. Surprise Doppelgängers made good sense: if the Romulans could create one, they might well try to create another... Even if neither was a resounding success.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

He was locked up in a large Lost Ark-style warehouse. Several year later, B-4 was added to the collection.

 

[bbjeg]

Nah, B-4 later remembers he's Data.

 

[HIjol]

He was locked up in a large Lost Ark-style warehouse. Several year later, B-4 was added to the collection.

Great Minds!...see my Post, above!

 

[Iamnotspock]

They should have used Lore in Nemesis, that would have made a lot more sense than finding yet another Soong type android that no one has ever heard of before.

We did hear of three faulty prototypes before Lore in TNG's "Inheritance". Presumably they were called B-4, B-9 and B-Tray; Shinzon thought the latter might be too obvious.

 

[Leviathan]

...Lore eventually fell on hard financial times and ended up becoming a Ferrengi sexbot. Eventually he cleaned up his act, moved to Canada in the early 2000's and became what we now know as Justin Bieber.

 

[T'Girl]

, Lore (as well as Data) was a lifeform

What could make you think that other androids would enjoy Data's legal status?

Data would occassionally be damaged through the years, and Lore would be used as a convenent sources of spare parts.

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[bbjeg]

I was going to say I don't think Data would use his brother like that but he did take his emotion chip. Though, you'd think he would have used Lore's parts to revive his daughter if he thought of Lore as a thing (which I guess would make Lore Data's daughter's mother, right?)

 

[Terok Nor]

I was going to say I don't think Data would use his brother like that but he did take his emotion chip. Though, you'd think he would have used Lore's parts to revive his daughter if he thought of Lore as a thing (which I guess would make Lore Data's daughter's mother, right?)

 

[Shark]

I've been wondering the same thing recently. When thinking of the "Future of Trek beyond the TNG era", I had considered that Data and to an extent, Lore, could very well be used as bases for Starfleet-issue Androids. And yes I am aware of the social and moral problems that may create.

As for what happened to Lore, I thought he was too badly damaged to revive? It's been a long time since I've seen the episode so my memory may be faulty. He was obviously a very dangerous individual, so they may have just decided to leave him 'inert'.

 

[Triskelion]

I was going to say I don't think Data would use his brother like that but he did take his emotion chip. Though, you'd think he would have used Lore's parts to revive his daughter if he thought of Lore as a thing (which I guess would make Lore Data's daughter's mother, right?)

Data didn't exploit Lore for parts; he retrieved what Lore had stolen from Data in the first place. Data would not have defied his own belief in individuality in as cavalier a manner as Lore actually defied Data's.

The word "mother" has no meaning here. Although in the "Juliana" Soong android, Lal did have a grandmother - in the iteration sense, and the relational sense - but not procreative sense. And Juliana was a duplicate of a real person, removing her from the procreative sense even further.

 

[Timo]

Starfleet-issue Androids

The thing is, Starfleet doesn't seem to be interested in androids. In fact, nobody seems interested in androids much, save for Noonien "Often Wrong" Soong.

That whole song and dance about "android armies" and "slave races" in "Measure of a Man" was a straw man that nobody deemed worth challenging. When Starfleet does get handed an android, what does it do? Put it in some sort of clerical duties or warehouse management or whatever where it learns nothing about the human equation for more than a decade.

Starfleet and the UFP probably have positronic computing down pat already, what with so much of Soong's paraphernalia lying around. It has been put to practical use, such as brain prosthetics. There no longer exists a need for show-and-tell androids for promoting the technology, especially as Soong himself is now dead without ever having worked up the courage to introduce his showpieces to the scientific community for final judgement on his merits.

So I'd think both Data and Lore's intimate innards are now safe from prodding and prying scientists and engineers. They just aren't interesting enough.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Oso Blanco]

Presumably they were called B-4, B-9 and B-Tray; Shinzon thought the latter might be too obvious.

B-Tray ...

 

[Delta1]

I assume he was handed over to the nearest authorities to be tried for various and sundry crimes. Disassembly was only a temporary measure to render him safe for transport, since he is too strong and smart to be restrained by other means (cf. Data's mutiny in "Brothers"). Data himself would have insisted on due process.

 

[Timo]

One has to wonder about that due process. A lot.

1) Humans usually don't get punished in Trek. They get cured. Does the Neural Neutralizer work on Lore?
2) If the court decides on punishment rather than therapy, what sort would fit Lore? For him, six years in jail would be a significantly smaller fraction of his life than for a human. Or an Ocampa, for that matter. The effectiveness of the punishment would supposedly depend on its severity, and/or the severity of the punishment would scale up and down with the severity of the crime, as in all punishment-based human systems so far. So does the UFP adjust for species here?
3) The above applies on the process itself, too. If an Ocampa has to sit through six months of proceedings, that's the same as a human being held for ten years, or Lore being held for a thousand years for all we know. So is that adjusted for species as well?

And that's before considering other androidian peculiarities such as Lore perhaps deciding to adjust his settings and declare that he now is a different person who can't be held accountable for the crimes of the previous person inhabiting the body. Data can do perfect impersonations. Who can prove Lore a fraud here?

Timo Saloniemi