I'm okay with the Defiant, as its a departure from the basic Starfleet design. Aventine and Titan are just... ugh. When I first saw the Titan, I thought, "Riker gave up waiting for a Galaxy class for this?!?"
*Potential Spoilers* What will the Alternate Enterprise-A look like
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I'm okay with the Defiant, as its a departure from the basic Starfleet design. Aventine and Titan are just... ugh. When I first saw the Titan, I thought, "Riker gave up waiting for a Galaxy class for this?!?"
I doubt it will happen, but there's one design they could pull from the mothballs ...
I REALLY hope they do something like this in Beyond, I'd love to see something close to the Original as possible.
-Ricky
I'm sure whatever new starship the crew gets, if it gets one, it will be instantly recognizable. That said, I wonder if it will be named, Enterprise and be NCC-1701A (or any other letter). I mean why do it? It made quite a lot of sense in the other universe. By STIV, Kirk and his crew were legends, and the Enterprise was probably the most well-known ship in the fleet. It certainly saw its crew through the wildest adventures any Starfleet crew probably had. The Enterprise in the other universe (apparently, we don't know, but the teaser tends to make one believe) didn't even get Kirk through his first five year mission. By STB, there have to be other ships of the class of the Enterprise, and they are more than likely still the top of the line starships. So, maybe in a fourth movie (God willing, and all), Kirk and crew get one of those, and it will be the voyages of the starship, Constitution, NCC-1710, or whatever name and registry.
I doubt it will happen, but there's one design they could pull from the mothballs ...
You'd need such a tiny crew...and I doubt it would go anywhere...
It's possible, but very unlikely. When Kirk pulls up in the motorcycle and watches the ship, it didn't look like a refit to me - it looked like a brand new construction.
As for the original 1701's age (in the prime timeline): It was built in 2245. So Kirk was 12 years old at the time. Since that's well after the divergence, it of course leaves things wide open for nuApril's Enterprise (which probably dates from soon after Kirk's birth) in addition to the Abramsprise.
Isn't the 'hole' that Kirk drives the car into (as a child) the beginning of what will one day become the shipyards? It has remarkably smooth and upright 'walls' to be just some random hole in the ground.
The sign on the gate that Joyride BoyKirk crashes through identifies it as an open quarry - which, oddly enough, could fit the description of a large hole in the ground with regular upright sides.
But we've been over all of this in detail before, haven't we?
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Pike refers to the Enterprise as a new ship, so that rules out a refit.
In the Prime Universe the original Enterprise was launched in 2245. Kirk would have been 12.
Much apologizings, I didn't remember the sign to that effect.
That was the very first angle I saw, but in black and white. I was in love. Too bad I'm still not in love with the show like I use to be.
Kirk's ship in some of the movies is of the Heavy Cruiser class, but that doesn't imply the existence of USS Heavy Cruiser...
OTOH, there probably does exist a whole class of those dreadnoughts, as it's quite unlikely Marcus would have wanted to go to war with just one such vessel (especially with the "newest flagship" deliberately sacrificed). And it was up to Marcus to decide when to start the war. Secret or not, those other war-ready vessels wouldn't be dismantled now that Marcus basically got his war, or at least got his angry Klingons.
Starfleet might well be tempted to paint "USS Enterprise II, NCC-1701.1" or something like that on one of the dreadnoughts if Kirk's ship can't be salvaged after the most recent incident. Then again, if Starfleet really is gearing up for war, there shouldn't be a shortage of ships to be renamed, including all-new designs.
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After the last couple of movies (and now this), if I was in any kind of leadership position in Starfleet, I'd be going 'Okay, clearly bigger ISN'T better. We've lost a TON of ships these last few years, and the bigger we make them, the bigger the body count when they blow up or crash. The Academy can't keep up. We may no longer need money, but our resources are not infinite. Let's scale down, focus on smaller ships we can build fairly quickly, and work on doing more with less. Maybe we'll revisit going bigger in a half-century or so, when we've got a lot more member worlds to work with."
Which might actually be an incentive for more ships of Vengeance's design, huge ships with only a handful for crew, and if necessary can be operated by only one person.
Presumably STB is half way through the Enterprise's 5 year mission, but it needs to be remembered that Kirk and Crew, while their story is not as established as their Prime timeline counterparts, have saved Earth once from Nero, and can be argued to have saved it from a war with the Klingons, where if Earth wasn't destroyed outright, could have been devastated. Plus, I am sure we will get some dialogue about how Kirk and crew had many an adventure, and distinguished themselves. SO, the point of all that is to establish Kirk is Starfleet's golden child. If Kirk wants his replacement ship to be named Enterprise, then by virtue of the fact of his past feats, he gets it.
It also must be remembered that the proper name of all the various Enterprises is in fact, Enterprise. We use the registry to differentiate between them, but since there is only one in service at a time, there is no need to call them Enterprise-A, or Enterprise II, etc. The next ship will likely be named just Enterprise. As far as what the registry will be, well, it could be a different number, but I suspect it will follow the naming conventions established in the Prime universe, so it will likely have the registry NCC-1701-A. So, unless they are just going to throw all that out the window, I think that is how it will unfold.
The question for me is what will it look like. Kind of why I started the thread, in the first place
I think there is a good case to be made that if the alternate-Constitution class is now the mainstay of the fleet, then the Enterprise-A may end up looking the same. That is assuming that a constitution class was just finished, and in order to replace the ship for Kirk, they simply rename it (sort of like they did with the Sao Palo when Sisko took command, and renamed it Defiant).
Then there is the tradition that each Enterprise (except Prime Enterprise-A, of course), is usually the newest class in Starfleet, and usually among the first of its class, as well. We could see a whole new class of ship. However, I think it will not be too different from the classic Jefferies design. I don't think we will see something that looks like the Kelvin, or Reliant, for example.
Then you have the rumored (all but confirmed) USS Franklin. What if this is a ship that the crew uses to get back home? Imagine if it survives the home trip, and is repairable. It is a new design, yet resembles the NX-01 Enterprise, so there is still a sense of familiarity. What if it is overhauled, refitted (maybe we will see an element of the NX-01 Drexler refit???), and rechristened the Enterprise-A? That could be interesting.
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Admittedly the ship was in pieces but they were very large pieces so it's doable I think, whether or not the film will even go that way remains to be seen.
The current Enterprise may not be destroyed in the film at all, I would like to see the new Enterprise A at the end though if the current ship is destroyed.
As for the existence of a Dreadnought Class named Dreadnought it's possible certainly, but I can't see it myself as they are big ships and not exactly easy to hide.
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I am not a fan of these kind of designs as they look too dated to me, if they did use it I would be OK with it though.I doubt it will happen, but there's one design they could pull from the mothballs ...
That's why I liked the look of the Vengeance, it looks futuristic and the person who designed it meant business.
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