The question was directed at me first, so I'll step up. I have a BS in electronics from Central Washington University and a couple of related associates' degrees.
You are right. So tell us yours.
The merged and improved (?) KIC 8462852 thread
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How about you focus on the content instead of the poster. I'm super tired of the condescending tone. You have been baiting people for quite a while which is pretty much trolling.
Claiming you can't take people seriously because they don't prove their scientific credentials is absurd coming from you.
You spend most of your time on this forum posting nonsensical, incoherent stuff that insanely distorts any sources you might actually have. And when you're done with that, you post "tinfoil hat"-level theories that are more "out there" than the ninth planet in our solar system.
Again, attack the post, not the poster. You have been repeatedly told not to do this.
Yet again and again you go for ad hominem attacks. I have been lenient by not reacting to the flippant way you addressed @sojourner recently but you're just not learning.
No, it's a science forum.
No, you clearly do not know how science works. The first rule of science is to communicate and share.
And again... you're insulting people instead of addressing the content of their posts. You fully realized that calling people in the Science forum Scientologists would be seen as an insult. Infraction for flaming. Comments to PM.
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Then explain what took place at KIC 8462.
Here are numerous links to websites that also state comets are most likely not responsible for the dims of KIC 8462.
http://www.outerplaces.com/science/item/10935-comets-aren-t-what-s-causing-kic-8462852-to-dim
http://gizmodo.com/that-supposed-alien-megastructure-may-actually-be-a-swa-1744792437
http://www.space.com/31626-crowdsourced-astronomy-finding-faint-galaxies-in-deep-space.html
http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/15/world/extraterrestrial-intelligence-anomaly/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...object-likely-lopsided-star-Dyson-sphere.html
Why transits are important in the search for life - http://www.space.com/32089-intelligent-alien-life-search-earth-transit-zone.html
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Do you even read the crap you post?
This is the only decent article here, and it's not even the meat of the data. You need to follow the other link within it to get anything decent. (Unfortunately, New Scientist seems to be blocked here at work, so I can't comment further on that.)
This one directly refutes your point! Even the article's title says "That Supposed Alien Megastructure May Actually Be a Swarm of Cometary Fragments".
This one has absolutely nothing to do with Tabby's star. No idea what you're going for here, other than trying to spam us with links.
This one says that comets are one of several possibilities, and they JUST DON'T HAVE ENOUGH INFORMATION YET. In fact, here's a quote from the article:
Along with a group of colleagues, Boyajian published an academic paper last month about the star and concluded that the light peculiarities could have been the result of comet fragments.
This is "a plausible but contrived natural explanation," according to Wright.
"I would put low odds on that being the right answer," the Penn State astronomer said. "But it's by far the best one I've seen so far (and much more likely than aliens, I'd say)."
This is "a plausible but contrived natural explanation," according to Wright.
"I would put low odds on that being the right answer," the Penn State astronomer said. "But it's by far the best one I've seen so far (and much more likely than aliens, I'd say)."
The Daily Mail? Really? Even so, this article doesn't even mention comets, but does say that there are many theories.
I'm still waiting for him to provide his academic credentials. Dryson himself has said that no one should listen to him until he does.
Why transits are important in the search for life - http://www.space.com/32089-intelligent-alien-life-search-earth-transit-zone.html
If an alien species understands how planets transit across their own sun they would realize that if they encounter a planet that causes a dim similar to a Jupiter sized planet that is within their solar system and then discover a Jupiter sized planet transiting an alien sun, our Sun would in fact be alien to them, that between the alien sun and the Jupiter sized planet might be a planet capable of supporting life in the habitable zone much like their planet is capable of supporting life in its habitable zone.
Based on the comparison's of the light dims from KIC 8462 where some are half the dim that Earth would cause and some larger I think that KIC 8462 does in fact have several Earth sized planets along with Jupiter and Giant Jupiter sized planets orbiting KIC 8462.
Hopefully the smaller planets are orbiting KIC 8462 in the habitable zone.
If an alien species understands how planets transit across their own sun they would realize that if they encounter a planet that causes a dim similar to a Jupiter sized planet that is within their solar system and then discover a Jupiter sized planet transiting an alien sun, our Sun would in fact be alien to them, that between the alien sun and the Jupiter sized planet might be a planet capable of supporting life in the habitable zone much like their planet is capable of supporting life in its habitable zone.
Based on the comparison's of the light dims from KIC 8462 where some are half the dim that Earth would cause and some larger I think that KIC 8462 does in fact have several Earth sized planets along with Jupiter and Giant Jupiter sized planets orbiting KIC 8462.
Hopefully the smaller planets are orbiting KIC 8462 in the habitable zone.
Yup, unless he has even the most entry level science degree, I'm not reading another word.
http://gizmodo.com/that-supposed-alien-megastructure-may-actually-be-a-swa-1744792437
This one directly refutes your point! Even the article's title says "That Supposed Alien Megastructure May Actually Be a Swarm of Cometary Fragments".
It helps to do more than read just the title of the article.
Quote from the article -
We’re no more ready to declare comets the cause of KIC 8462’s anomalies than we are to confirm alien megastructures.
This one directly refutes your point! Even the article's title says "That Supposed Alien Megastructure May Actually Be a Swarm of Cometary Fragments".
It helps to do more than read just the title of the article.
Quote from the article -
We’re no more ready to declare comets the cause of KIC 8462’s anomalies than we are to confirm alien megastructures.
Yes, it does help to read the whole article, and it just goes to show how you completely misunderstand things. If you bothered to continue reading:
At this point we should leave both natural and artificial causes in the mix and recognize how long it’s going to take to work out a viable solution through careful, unbiased analysis.
In other words, they're still just speculating since they have a long road of scientific study ahead of them, and in no way are they dismissing comets as a potential cause for these phenomena.BTW, I'm an Aerospace Engineer, since you were asking earlier. Some might even call me a Rocket Scientist. What's your expertise?
He's a welder.
Thankfully, having to listen isn't even a possibility.
http: www.councilchronicle.com/keplers-mysterious-star-may-not-be-that-controversial/22447/
This article discusses another Star KIC 4110611 that like KIC 8462852 also had an unusual light curve. The light curve of KIC 411 later turned out to be a five star system. Something truly rare but completely natural.
To confirm if a large swarm of comets is present in the KIC solar system have any of the stars situated behind the KIC solar system experienced any dims in light that would suggest the same large swarm of comets that caused the 15% and 22% of KIC 8462 have passed in front of those stars as well? If the swarm of comets is large enough to cause a 15% to 22% dim of KIC 8462 then the swarm of comets should be large enough to cause a much greater dim of a star further away from Earth as the swarm passed between the star and Kepler.
This article discusses another Star KIC 4110611 that like KIC 8462852 also had an unusual light curve. The light curve of KIC 411 later turned out to be a five star system. Something truly rare but completely natural.
To confirm if a large swarm of comets is present in the KIC solar system have any of the stars situated behind the KIC solar system experienced any dims in light that would suggest the same large swarm of comets that caused the 15% and 22% of KIC 8462 have passed in front of those stars as well? If the swarm of comets is large enough to cause a 15% to 22% dim of KIC 8462 then the swarm of comets should be large enough to cause a much greater dim of a star further away from Earth as the swarm passed between the star and Kepler.
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Did you know that you've been asked to post your credentials here?
Is it possible that a large swarm of comets would cause the dim of a star that situated behind the comet swarms orbit around the sun?
I think Asbo Zaparudder would be a good one to answer this question.
Asbo if you can suggest it possible for the swarm to block other suns as the swarm passes across in front of the stars then perhaps the possible large swarm of comets might be able to be tracked as the reason for other dims of stars that the swarm might pass across in front of.
To determine if a possible large swarm of comets caused the dim of KIC 8462 that be could possibly proven to exist based on causing dims of distant stars that the swarm of comets passed between we would need to know the angle that Kepler observed KIC 8462 relative to the telescopes line if sight.
Once we know the angle that Kepler observed the dims of KIC 8462 we would be able to get a better picture of which stars the possibly large swarm of comets passed across. If more than one distant star has a slight dim then a path can be traced of where the possibly large swarm of comets actually orbited KIC 8462.
I think Asbo Zaparudder would be a good one to answer this question.
Asbo if you can suggest it possible for the swarm to block other suns as the swarm passes across in front of the stars then perhaps the possible large swarm of comets might be able to be tracked as the reason for other dims of stars that the swarm might pass across in front of.
To determine if a possible large swarm of comets caused the dim of KIC 8462 that be could possibly proven to exist based on causing dims of distant stars that the swarm of comets passed between we would need to know the angle that Kepler observed KIC 8462 relative to the telescopes line if sight.
Once we know the angle that Kepler observed the dims of KIC 8462 we would be able to get a better picture of which stars the possibly large swarm of comets passed across. If more than one distant star has a slight dim then a path can be traced of where the possibly large swarm of comets actually orbited KIC 8462.
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I think Zatanna might be better at deciphering this one. Possibly Yoda.
I don't know the answer to the question but I do know what one hand clapping sounds like.
Really, as I've written it before, we need more data.
Really, as I've written it before, we need more data.
Has no single Earthling considered the most obvious possibility?
Two gas giant planets slow collided in that system 100-150 years ago, ripping each other into huge clumps of gas, loosely held together by their own gravity. Also, gas doesn't heat the way dust does, so we shouldn't be getting much in infrared.
Two gas giant planets slow collided in that system 100-150 years ago, ripping each other into huge clumps of gas, loosely held together by their own gravity. Also, gas doesn't heat the way dust does, so we shouldn't be getting much in infrared.
I look forward to reading your peer-reviewed paper.
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