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Sorry, I am reading way out of order ... my page didn't update ... so sorry if I repeated some of the Hulu comments and the like that I am now seeing. :)

Bryan Fuller signed on in February, 2016. This much we know. He's probably nailing down a character roster and series concept over the next few weeks/months.

Fuller was announced in February. He was signed on before that.

They'll certainly be eying key talent at the same time but no offense to Todd he doesn't strike me as the kind of series lead they'd be zero-ing in on before a character list is set.

Although I am questioning that the report on Todd is accurate, even if you give these reports the benefit of the doubt, even he was not talking "lead."
 
Star Trek: The Original Series Soundtrack Collection - Like Peters, I've had my name in Variety, but in my case it was because I was interviewed about this set.

I've also been involved with the soundtrack re-issues for the first 10 Star Trek movies. I was an editor on II, III, IV, VI and FC and I got "Production Assistance" credit on TMP, V, GEN, INS, and NEM. I've also been involved with the TNG and DS9 album re-issues in various capacities. More Trek projects are currently in the works.
Well off-topic I know but as a fan of Star Trek music, unreleased scores are immeasurably more interesting to me than anything Axanar could ever put out. So I have to praise your involvement in these expanded movie and new TV collection soundtracks and for actually working on something this fans wants.
 
I'm basing all of this on my theory and speculation. No proof. But if you look at the timeline. CBS announced the new series on November 2, 2015. Bryan Fuller joins as show runner on Feb 9, 2016. That's 3 months too long for a series already sets to premier January 2017. Granted that when things are discussed, signed and announced can usually be 1-2 weeks apart from the official press release. I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Bryan Fuller may have been the last person they looked at or may be considering. You can contact your 10 people you know personally in Hollywood to see if they were ever given the call to pitch or submitted a proposal for the new series when the call went out. Don't you find it odd that they have to find a new show runner? I thought Alex Kurtzman was the show runner? So he's now a executive producer? I think there will be some kind of an announcement of delay for this series if people are thinking the casting will be done later rather than soon. So far, there's been no such announcement.


What are you basing this on?



Once again, what are you basing this on? I can probably name 10 people I know personally in Hollywood (who have great credits to their name) who would've killed to do the next Trek series. And two of them aren't even Trek fans.



I'm sorry, but I can guarantee you that Braga was not even considered. Not that he is a bad producer or writer ... but you don't evolve the franchise by bringing back the old showrunner that you unceremoniously dumped during the run of your last series.
 
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Netflix dropped all of the episodes of House of Cards first season when it was the only original show they had going at the time. CBS All Access has an entire catalog of old shows and current ones along with this new Star Trek show. I don't see there is a difference of what Netflix did when they dropped all of the episodes of House of Cards first season to what CBS All Access could be doing if they choose to drop all of the episodes of this new Star Trek show. The difference maybe Netflix has a large amount of subscribers and CBS All Access doesn't. That's it. Maybe the pricing, too. But that's it.

The one thing that can doomed them in the long run is that unlike Netflix, if CBS chooses to only air shows licensed and owned by CBS. They may not have the money or the capacity to operate all of the original programmings or that many original programmings like Netflix does.

Yeah, I'm with DRT. I believe you will see them release this weekly, like Hulu does. Remember, CBS does not have major plans quite yet to offer other original programming on the platform, so they can't do a one-time dump like Netflix does, which has other programs to keep you subscribed throughout the year.

But I do agree with you on the timetable. I believe we'll start seeing casting by the beginning of summer.
 
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Well off-topic I know but as a fan of Star Trek music, unreleased scores are immeasurably more interesting to me than anything Axanar could ever put out. So I have to praise your involvement in these expanded movie and new TV collection soundtracks and for actually working on something this fans wants.
You're welcome! Crank them up!

Now back to our regularly scheduled Axanar discussion.

Neil
 
I'm basing all of this on my theory and speculation. No proof.

Fair enough.

But if you look at the timeline. CBS announced the new series on November 2, 2015. Bryan Fuller joins as show runner on Feb 9, 2016.

Here is where you're getting confused. First, you need to change "joins" on the Bryan Fuller sentence to "announced" like you did for the CBS "announced the new series" before it. I'm sure you know that they don't hire someone and announce it same day. They don't create a show, and announce it the same day. These are things that are days, weeks and sometimes months in the making.

Fuller was working on this project late last year. He was announced in February. There is a big difference.

That's 3 months too long for a series already set to premier January 2017.

Sorry, improper use of "premiere" bugs me ... haha!

And once again, there is a difference between when work actually begins on a project, and when it is publicly announced. Even when Erik and I were talking about what we could do to help get his lost Trek film idea considered as a series, I pointed out that I had heard there was a series in development, but until CBS announced it, we always had a chance to displace it. :D

I'm sorry to burst your bubble but Bryan Fuller may have been the last person they looked at or may be considering.

You can't "burst my bubble" for something that is not true. Fuller is a hot commodity, and CBS knows that he has a huge Trek following. And while his shows haven't always been huge ratings hits, they have been critically acclaimed, and would provide the type of positive press that CBS actually did get upon his announcement.

Fuller has made no secret of his desire to get back into Trek. In fact, some of the unfounded rumors that circulated about Angela Basset were based on interviews he did more than two years ago, while running "Hannibal" on a different network, that he talked at length about how he would love to come back to Star Trek.

I can for sure tell you that Fuller was not "the last person" they looked at, unless you say "the first and last person they looked at." I can tell you that one of the things holding back the new Trek series was waiting for Fuller to become available, at least from what I was told. The Kurtzman concept wasn't just created last month. It's something he has had for a while now.

You can contact your 10 people you know personally in Hollywood to see if they were ever given the call to pitch or submitted a proposal for the new series when the call went out.

No one was asked to pitch. There was no "call" that "went out." Kurtzman, through K/O Paper Products (his production shingle) already have a long-standing relationship with CBS (who do you think is behind some of their hit shows, like "Hawaii Five-0" and "Limitless"?), and also is connected with the JJverse, meaning that an idea he comes to the table would likely get the Paramount/Abrams blessing.

Don't you find it odd that they have to find a new show runner? I thought Alex Kurtzman was the show runner?

I don't find it odd, because Kurtzman was never announced as the showrunner. Based on our original report in November, he was credited as the "developer," but never the showrunner.

http://1701news.com/node/963/node/1007/les-moonves-new-chair-cbs-corp.html

So he's now a executive producer?

That has not changed from November.

I think there will be some kind of an announcement of delay for this series if people are thinking the casting will be done later rather than soon. So far, there's been no such announcement.

There won't be. From everything I have heard, the show is on schedule. Do you think CBS doesn't know what schedule it needs to be on to launch a series? There is nothing about any of this that indicates any delay. The timing in early February was right to announce the showrunner, and you likely will have the lead announced sometime around June. But even if it's not announced yet, doesn't mean he (or she) is not cast.
 
Netflix dropped all of the episodes of House of Cards first season when it was the only original show they had going at the time.

Sorry, that is incorrect. "House of Cards" was released in 2013, the same year that new episodes of "Arrested Development" were released, as well as the second season of "Lillyhammer" (in fact, the first season of "Lillyhammer" premiered in 2012, BEFORE "House of Cards").

Oh, "Orange is the New Black" also premiered in 2013, just a couple months after "House of Cards."

So while "House of Cards" may have been the first (it actually wasn't, that was "Lillyhammer"), these others shows already were in development and on the release schedule for later that year. So there were multiple Netflix originals ready to go.

CBS All Access has an entire catalog of old shows and current ones along with this new Star Trek show. I don't see there is a difference of what Netflix did when they dropped all of the episodes of House of Cards first season to what CBS All Access could be doing if they choose to drop all of the episodes of this new Star Trek show.

See above. Unlike what Netflix was doing (with four series AT LEAST scheduled for release that year), CBS All Access has yet to announce any additional titles to be released in 2017.

Also, in order to drop an entire season, pre-production and casting would have had to have started by now, as well as set construction. Even "House of Cards" and OITNB had two-year lead times. The later production start suggests (well, actually DEMANDS) that CBS release episodes one week at a time.
 
By the way, I don't think you're stupid at all, Carlos. In fact, I think you're amazingly intelligent (and sweet, too!)

But I am going to go by the definition of "mockumentary" as defined in the legal document, which is the definition Ranahan would be tied to, by the way, at least for the purposes of these specific discussions: "a movie or television show depicting fictional events but presented as a documentary."

:)
 
You're right, Mr. Fuller is full of talent. I will not deny that. I'm not trying to badmouth him. However, Mr. Fuller wouldn't be someone I'd go with considering this is his record: Wonderfall, canceled after a few episodes. Dead Like Me, left after 1 season over creative differences, canceled after 2 seasons. Pushing Daisies, canceled after 2 seasons. Hannibal, canceled after 3 seasons, couldn't do season 4 for Amazon because they wanted the show sooner than he likes.

I know this may gets me banned from this board but I personally don't think his episodes were all that great comparing to the other Trek writers.

Now, send me your hate messages. :hugegrin:

You can't "burst my bubble" for something that is not true. Fuller is a hot commodity, and CBS knows that he has a huge Trek following. And while his shows haven't always been huge ratings hits, they have been critically acclaimed, and would provide the type of positive press that CBS actually did get upon his announcement.
 
Carlos, Carlos, Carlos ... did you just use Wikipedia as a source? :)
Haha, Michael. I did think about that.

The virtue of Wikipedia is that it has all the comedic genres conveniently located in one chart. Don't worry, I have a bank of multiple sources ready in case anyone summarily rejects the Wikipedia chart. I'm always multiply sourced ;)
 
You're right, Mr. Fuller is full of talent. I will not deny that. I'm not trying to badmouth him. However, Mr. Fuller wouldn't be someone I'd go with considering this is his record: Wonderfall, canceled after a few episodes. Dead Like Me, left after 1 season over creative differences, canceled after 2 seasons. Pushing Daisies, canceled after 2 seasons. Hannibal, canceled after 3 seasons, couldn't do season 4 for Amazon because they wanted the show sooner than he likes.

I know this may gets me banned from this board but I personally don't think his episodes were all that great comparing to the other Trek writers.

Now, send me your hate messages. :hugegrin:

Why would anyone send you hate messages? But just because you wouldn't go with him doesn't mean that CBS would take the same route. I also wouldn't ruin people's childhoods by making the worst fucking Transformers movies of all time ... but yet, Paramount keeps putting Michael Bay in charge. Even when they tease us that they won't. :D
 
Haha, Michael. I did think about that.

The virtue of Wikipedia is that it has all the comedic genres conveniently located in one chart. Don't worry, I have a bank of multiple sources ready in case anyone summarily rejects the Wikipedia chart.

Oh, I know you do! :D

So tell me about how hilarious the 2004 mockumentary "A Hole in My Heart" was ...
 
You're right, Mr. Fuller is full of talent. I will not deny that. I'm not trying to badmouth him. However, Mr. Fuller wouldn't be someone I'd go with considering this is his record: Wonderfall, canceled after a few episodes. Dead Like Me, left after 1 season over creative differences, canceled after 2 seasons. Pushing Daisies, canceled after 2 seasons. Hannibal, canceled after 3 seasons, couldn't do season 4 for Amazon because they wanted the show sooner than he likes.

I know this may gets me banned from this board but I personally don't think his episodes were all that great comparing to the other Trek writers.

Now, send me your hate messages. :hugegrin:

Also, if you think not liking something gets you banned from here ... than you really don't know TrekBBS. :D
 
You're right, Mr. Fuller is full of talent. I will not deny that. I'm not trying to badmouth him. However, Mr. Fuller wouldn't be someone I'd go with considering this is his record: Wonderfall, canceled after a few episodes. Dead Like Me, left after 1 season over creative differences, canceled after 2 seasons. Pushing Daisies, canceled after 2 seasons. Hannibal, canceled after 3 seasons, couldn't do season 4 for Amazon because they wanted the show sooner than he likes.

The thing to understand here is that "success" is defined in very different ways on different platforms. For example, network TV shows demand high ratings among specific demographics at very targeted points in a schedule. This was one of the obstacles TOS faced, and led to its ultimate demise.

TNG was successful because it blew up the paradigm. By syndicating, it gave local TV stations the choice about when to air the show (and even to air it multiple times during a week). It created an entire new platform for scifi/fantasy shows to be successful.

Interestingly, Paramount's choice to abandon the syndication model in favor of using VOY as the flagship of the UPN network was, in retrospect, a mistake, because it forced the show back into the old network paradigm in which Star Trek originally failed. VOY did make it through seven seasons, but only barely; its ratings were awful. UPN had to merge with WB, creating the CW, in order to survive.

Meanwhile, premium cable networks (e.g., HBO and Showtime), and even Netflix, measure success only partly by viewership for individual shows but more importantly, by how much a show builds its brand and increases or maintains its subscriber base. I don't know what CBS All-Access' actual business model is, but if it's more like Netflix, then the new series won't necessarily need to pull the kind of numbers that a typical network show would have to in order to be considered a "success."

Fuller has proved himself adept at creating series with fanatical fan bases. The audience numbers may be small relative to typical network TV but they may be perfect for online demographics.
 
Off Topic but what if this is all a bunch of PR for a movie Called "Fan Film" where a start up production studio gets sued by the corporate giant. (honestly just trying to get my 14 posts in)
 
Oh, I know you do! :D

So tell me about how hilarious the 2004 mockumentary "A Hole in My Heart" was ...
As I said earlier, humor does not always equal "ha ha funny." Some forms of satire, for example, are brutal; they'd elicit no guffaw. But humor covers a lot of territory, overlapping often with others genres, like tragedy. This, btw, perfectly describes my love life.
 
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