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[Warped9]

I was under the impression, based on the positioning of the shuttlecraft, that they were to one side.

*EDIT* I just rewatched the shuttle landing from JtB again, and yes, the entry IS from the starboard side of the hangar deck.

The problem is we don't really know where they're disembarking from--the filght deck or the service deck. All we see is an open area with no discernible details (certainly none remotely resembling the flight deck).

Also the miniature set shows there are no such doors on either side of the flight deck. If the shuttlecraft were oriented at right angle to the ship's centreline then maybe a door could be in the centre of the forward wall. But then what's forward of that wall. A lot of conventional thought is the Engineering section.

However, if the craft goes down to the service deck (for whatever reason) and turns at right angle to the centreline then the view from the service deck's entrance might be similar enough to what we see onscreen--again overlooking that the area has no detail onscreen.

 

[Mytran]

I was under the impression, based on the positioning of the shuttlecraft, that they were to one side.

*EDIT* I just rewatched the shuttle landing from JtB again, and yes, the entry IS from the starboard side of the hangar deck.

Depends which version of TOS you watch. In the original version, the shuttle and EIGHT Honour Guards stand in a (mostly) plain grey room:

In the TOS-R version, an observation gallery has been CGI'd into place above the shuttle suggesting that the entry door is off to to the side, even though that would make the Flight Deck impossibly wide and massive:

What's better is that the CGI observation gallery moves around! By the time of The Immunity Syndrome it had noticeably dropped several feet:

So, if we are to take TOS-R on face value we have no less than TWO different Flight Decks, both impossibly wide and high. I wonder where on board they are supposed to be?

 

[Warped9]

^^ Whiich illustrates that some things weren't really thought through or that production concerns overrode a dedication to technical accuracy.

As fans we have the luxury of time to really flesh this out. But the producers usually didn't plan these things out in too much detail until they actually needed something and then there was a degree of winging it to get the show made.

And this all comes back to the poor producers never having a clue these things would be scrutinized for decades on end.

 

[Phantom]

^True. Interestingly, it seems that modern producers are of two main camps: the "documentarian" approach (treating the sets/etc as "real" items and designing accordingly) and the "rule of cool" crowd (doesn't give a frak so long as it looks good on screen).

 

[Warped9]

I think MJ did bring a level of dedication to accuracy and realism (or believability) to the table, but that production realities could override his thinking on the subject.

We don't know if MJ ever designed or planned out the forward wall of the flight deck--certainly I'm not aware of any drawings related to it surfacing--but he would have known that the entrance we see onscreen couldn't possibly be on either side of the flight deck. So either MJ's views on the subject were overridden or they fabricated something vague enough that few were likely to question what we saw onscreen. Or MJ did have an idea of where that access door is and it's never been revealed after all these years.

What we do know is that the Enterprise sets were fudged to a degree in order to make the most use out of what limited number of sets existed. That has to be why we see a curved corridor outside of Main Engineer when by all rights there shouldn't be one if the facility is indeed located down in the support hull.

So if one is intent on fleshing out these things more realistically then a degree of fudging has to be expected to make it fit.

 

[Phantom]

^Also true.

Side note: if you look at the remaster of JtB, you'll note that they went a long ways towards correcting the scaling issues. You'll also see a second shuttlecraft on the flight deck, but given that they were up to their brass in galactic conferees it's probably that it wasn't one of Enterprise's regular shuttle complement.

 

[Warped9]

Yeah, I gotta laugh about that because after modeling all of this there's no way I can accept what TOS-R did with the hangar area. If anything they just compunded the problem of unrealustic scale.

Speaking for myself--now that I've modeled it--I think it all still looks pretty cool with everything scaled out correctly.

 

[Phantom]

^???

The JtB scenes looked pretty darn close to what you came up with.

 

[Mytran]

^There's a lot of inconsistent scale issues with TOS-R, far more than you would expect for a project set up to "correct" earlier errors.

So if one is intent on fleshing out these things more realistically then a degree of fudging has to be expected to make it fit.

Oh, absolutely. But if we are going to allow the shuttle parking garage as depicted on screen (even with some fudging) then interpreting it as a Hangar Deck below the level of the Flight Deck seems the least lossy way to go. Side entrances really hold very little water IMO

 

[Phantom]

except that pesky observation gallery, which is clearly seen

 

[Mytran]

Only on TOS-R though!

Also, the shuttle on the turntable looks to be nearly flat against the back wall in JTB and TIS, whereas the Flight Deck clearly depicts the turntable in the centre of the deck. If the CGI team were so concerned that they felt the need to add the observation gallery (at whatever height), couldn't they have fixed the wall issue as well? It's a prime example of how fixing one "problem" creates numerous others.

 

[Warped9]

Yeah, when it comes to working out these kinds of things TOS-R has no credibility as far as I'm concerned. Better to stick with original source materiel.

 

[Taranis]

Great project. really enjoyed reading through your work Warped9..

Personally I think based on the research I have done for my own build the original Enterprise should increase in scale..

Top work

 

[Warped9]

I'm starting to ruminate over a possible design for a TOS era workpod, of which the Enterprise could carry perhaps two or three of them. If successful this could then motivate me to plan out the small bay where they would be berthed either aft of below the large service bay.

 

[Warped9]

On a somewhat related matter don't hold your breath for the Galileo shuttlecraft model anytime soon: http://www.collectormodel.com/round...-galileo-shuttle-update/#sthash.gxE4IWKD.dpbs

 

[Albertese]

^^^
Well, there you go. I had been holding out on the shuttlecraft hoping that the kit would come out, but I guess now I have no excuse not to break out the Phil Board drawings and start scratchbuilding...

--Alex

 

[Warped9]

^^^
Well, there you go. I had been holding out on the shuttlecraft hoping that the kit would come out, but I guess now I have no excuse not to break out the Phil Board drawings and start scratchbuilding...

--Alex

I was beginning to think much the same thing only using my 3D model as the template. I'd also like it to be in a larger scale than the supposed 1/32 R2 was planning.

 

[Albertese]

I was beginning to think much the same thing only using my 3D model as the template. I'd also like it to be in a larger scale than the supposed 1/32 R2 was planning.

I dunno what scale I'd build it in. Probably will be driven by what size tube I choose to use for the nacelles.

--Alex

 

[Irishman]

Warped9,

I continue to follow this thread with great interest and respect. Your threads always blend great art with great thinking.

Bravo, man! Keep it coming!

 

[spockboy]

On a somewhat related matter don't hold your breath for the Galileo shuttlecraft model anytime soon: http://www.collectormodel.com/round...-galileo-shuttle-update/#sthash.gxE4IWKD.dpbs

That's a shame, especially with this year being the 50th.

Spockboy