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Babylon 5

Loved "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum"

I remember watching this in the '90s. Sheridan really shows some teeth and the darker side of himself. All that smiley "I love oranges!" kind of stuff was nowhere to be seen and it was (and is) so cool. Also gives quite a reveal with Delenn and Kosh. And the ending... definitely one of the best episodes in the second season. At the time for me it did with Sheridan what I would say Babylon Squared did with Sinclair: Okay, who the hell is this guy really and where is he going because I want to know!

Oh the memories.
 
Season 2 does such a great job introducing the Shadows and building them up. Shadows is another example of that, and we get the first mention of The Nightwatch here too, continuing the Earth saga. There are episodes that have better endings (Chrysalis for example), but that ending to Shadows was one of those Holy crap moments that just sticks with you as the series goes on.
 
One of my favorites from the B5 franchise is actually a Crusade episode, "Visitors From Down the Street". This episode is based on another series I like, The X-Files.
 
I listened to the commentary for "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum", and I had not realized just how small the budget for this show was. They had to redress and reuse the same sets over and over.

Yeah, a lot of the sets were specifically designed to do at least double duty, the wall sections were all on wheels they they could be pulled out, reconfigured and some even had other walls painted on the other side. IIRC the person responsible for all that had a background in theatre and so used a lot of the tricks of the trade. Even that painted stipple effect wallpaper looking stuff they used all over the place was chosen specifically to give some depth and texture to the background. Also the use of drapery and other hangings, glass beads on the lighting fixtures, lots of little touches like that.

In terms of budget, I think (per episode) they had to work with less than half of what Star Trek did at the same time. It really showed in the first season but as time went on. they got better and better at doing more with a lot less.

What I found most impressive is that later in the show they're able to show places other than the inside of the station (Narn, Centauri Prime, Mars and even Minbar) and sell it despite the fact whole show was shot on-stage. No location work, ever. I think the closest they came is a fairly memorable shot (that I shall be deliberately vague about) of Londo standing in a garden looking up at something overhead and that was basically done in the car park just outside the sound stage IIRC. I think it's the only actual natural sunlight you'll ever on B5. ;)

One of my favorites from the B5 franchise is actually a Crusade episode, "Visitors From Down the Street". This episode is based on another series I like, The X-Files.

That is easily my least favourite episode of Crusade, bar none. It felt so clumsy and ham fisted at the time and since then it just looks increasingly dated.
The premise is interesting enough, but the execution is just a string of X-Files references held together by cardboard characters and barely involves the main cast. You can pretty much sum the whole thing up by havin the screen writer go "Hey, do you know X-Files? We know X-Files too! Look, we're totally doing X-Files! It's got the smoking man and the tape on the window and everything!!!"
That kind of thing is fine for a one-off gag or reference, but stretching it out to a whole episode just didn't work for me.
 
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Ha! During the commentary the producer apologizes for Delenns hair. He's a funny guy. on another note, this is the first show I've ever encountered where the characters are designed to change over the course of the series. He said he deliberately made Sheridan seem like a light weight at the start, so as to surprise the viewer as his true character comes out. I've already commented on my shock in the character changes to Londo from season one. Starting out as a happy, funny, comedy relief type character to a borderline villain.
 
I listened to the commentary for "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum", and I had not realized just how small the budget for this show was. They had to redress and reuse the same sets over and over.

Yes, many of the sets had 'wild' (movable) walls in order to get different camera angles and to create different looks. The corridors were all the same except for the stripe colors which were held by velcro and easily changed. I think that I read that the Council Chamber set may have been the most often redressed set - from council chamber to mess hall to offices and conference rooms...

BTW, be a little careful of the commentaries if you want to stay unspoiled.

Yeah, a lot of the sets were specifically designed to do at least double duty, the wall sections were all on wheels they they could be pulled out, reconfigured and some even had other walls painted on the other side. IIRC the person responsible for all that had a background in theatre and so used a lot of the tricks of the trade. Even that painted stipple effect wallpaper looking stuff they used all over the place was chosen specifically to give some depth and texture to the background. Also the use of drapery and other hangings, glass beads on the lighting fixtures, lots of little touches like that.

That's John Iacovelli who's still active in theater but also some video.

What I found most impressive is that later in the show they're able to show places other than the inside of the station (Narn, Centauri Prime, Mars and even Minbar) and sell it despite the fact whole show was shot on-stage. No location work, ever. I think the closest they came is a fairly memorable shot (that I shall be deliberately vague about) of Londo standing in a garden looking up at something overhead and that was basically done in the car park just outside the sound stage IIRC. I think it's the only actual natural sunlight you'll ever on B5. ;)
I think there were, two actually. The looking up and later the walking one. But both 'on location' in the parking lot.

Jan
 
"BTW, be a little careful of the commentaries if you want to stay unspoiled." Good advice. The producer spoiled Sheridan's wife's fate for me. You'd think he wouldn't spoil the show past the episode he's doing commentary on.
 
Scheme for B5 tech levels.

www.frostjedi.com/vex/html/technology_classification_system.htm

I would expect that there would be gradations within each tech level, based on refinement of existing technologies, or minor innovations.

I think that the Centauri contacted an Earth that was late Information Age, with a significant capability for travel within our own solar system. Humans would be behind almost all the other races, putting us in the situation of an Insufficiently Advanced race.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/InsufficientlyAdvancedAlien

Note that the Minbari are two levels above Earth at the start of the Earth-Minbai War. Making it extremely difficult for the humans to defend themselves.

I suspect that trying to reverse engineer technology more than a level above your own would be similar to a black box situation.

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BlackBox

It seems that Black Box is actually common in real life.

What if humans come across machines that are in themselves usable? Carter used a zat as her sidearm in Stargate SG-1.

Imported Alien Phlebotinum

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ImportedAlienPhlebotinum
 
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^Yeah, I wouldn't really put any stock in that. Looks like fan fiction, or derived from one of the RPGs, which were basically licenced fan fiction. More so the later stuff as I think the original source books (the ones publised while the show was still on the air) at least had *some* input from the production crew. Even then it was never definitive. Doubly problematic since that site seems to cite the definitely *not* canon early novels.
 
"BTW, be a little careful of the commentaries if you want to stay unspoiled." Good advice. The producer spoiled Sheridan's wife's fate for me. You'd think he wouldn't spoil the show past the episode he's doing commentary on.
Perhaps. But while it may seem hard to believe these days, when they first came out, pretty much nobody who hadn't already seen the show would have bought the DVDs...at about $80.00 per season. So JMS probably figured he was talking to folks who were already familiar with the whole show. Times have changed....
 
Loved "In the Shadow of Z'Ha'Dum"
One of my favorite quotes is from that episode!

Morden: What do you want?
Vir: I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. [gives a mockingly cheerful finger waggle] Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?​

:D
 
One of my favorite quotes is from that episode!

Morden: What do you want?
Vir: I'd like to live just long enough to be there when they cut off your head and stick it on a pike as a warning to the next ten generations that some favors come with too high a price. I would look up at your lifeless eyes and wave like this. [gives a mockingly cheerful finger waggle] Can you and your associates arrange this for me, Mr. Morden?​

:D

Possibly the best quote of the whole series.
 
I thought Bester was a major player, but I see he's only in 12 episodes. Disappointed.
 
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