The theory in the OP is utterly ridiculous.
Did Kylo Ren ... ? (spoilers)
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I wonder if that means I'm not allowed to start a thread called "Spock's Death in TWoK".
That depends. Has it been more than a year since it's release in 1982? If not then no, you're not. If yes then sure, go nuts. You can even start one about Scotty's nephew if you like.
If you don't think that the rules are being fairly applied to TV show threads, then take it up with the mods, not me.
I think my brother was originally spoiled by the stuff that comes up below your text in the Google search bar. Something like that. Then maybe from some other source - he knew about a good deal of the plot. And it killed his enthusiasm to see it theatrically. Every time I see him I'm like "Have you seen Star Wars yet?" and he's like "When does the home video come out?"
The one year rule is great for lowering the chances but it's pretty much inevitable that someone will stumble on this particular plot event somewhere sooner or later being anywhere on the internet, much less on a sci fi forum. It'd be like browsing HBO forums while waiting weeks (or even days) after a Game of Thrones episode comes out. I could barely get through one unrelated class in college without hearing a spoiler for the latest episode the night before, and star wars has an even wider appeal than that show.
No, Han did not turn on the saber and kill himself. 
It's quite apparent from Han's manner and expression that Kylo is forcibly turning the saber to aim at his torso. Then his expression when the saber is activated makes it pretty clear that he didn't do it himself.
Kylo is murderous and evil. The only way he could possibly be redeemed is if he sacrifices his own life for a good cause, like Vader.
Kor
It's quite apparent from Han's manner and expression that Kylo is forcibly turning the saber to aim at his torso. Then his expression when the saber is activated makes it pretty clear that he didn't do it himself.
Kylo is murderous and evil. The only way he could possibly be redeemed is if he sacrifices his own life for a good cause, like Vader.
Kor
^I'd rather seem him redeemed by having a certain Wookie pull the little fecker's arms out of their sockets. 
Speaking of; one thing about that scene I do find interesting is Chewie's reaction. Not so much that he gets pissed and takes a shot (because: duh) but that he *didn't* get a kill shot. Earlier on the movie made a point of showing off just how accurate and lethal his bowcaster is at range and yet the best he could manage is a glancing hit?
On the one hand of course, I know, if he killed Kylo right then and there then we don't have as much to do in episodes 8 & 9. It's also possible to argue that maybe he was too pissed off to aim straight, it was only a hasty snap-shot or that Kylo was a little out of range (the bridge was pretty far) or that Kylo's force ability allowed him to dodge the shot, or rather move enough that it wasn't a lethal, centre of mass hit.
But still, I can't help but wonder if there's something else going on here. If I were to hazard a guess, I might suggest that perhaps the way Wookie honour works, he *can't* kill a family member of someone he owes a life debt to. Even if said family member just murdered said person in cold blood. He can however give him an nice painful abdominal wound with maybe even a broken rib or three. Which would seem about right for the Wookie equivalent of a flick 'round the earhole.
Speaking of; one thing about that scene I do find interesting is Chewie's reaction. Not so much that he gets pissed and takes a shot (because: duh) but that he *didn't* get a kill shot. Earlier on the movie made a point of showing off just how accurate and lethal his bowcaster is at range and yet the best he could manage is a glancing hit?
On the one hand of course, I know, if he killed Kylo right then and there then we don't have as much to do in episodes 8 & 9. It's also possible to argue that maybe he was too pissed off to aim straight, it was only a hasty snap-shot or that Kylo was a little out of range (the bridge was pretty far) or that Kylo's force ability allowed him to dodge the shot, or rather move enough that it wasn't a lethal, centre of mass hit.
But still, I can't help but wonder if there's something else going on here. If I were to hazard a guess, I might suggest that perhaps the way Wookie honour works, he *can't* kill a family member of someone he owes a life debt to. Even if said family member just murdered said person in cold blood. He can however give him an nice painful abdominal wound with maybe even a broken rib or three. Which would seem about right for the Wookie equivalent of a flick 'round the earhole.
Then there was that online fan comic from last month, that showed Chewie thinking back on how he had basically been Ben/Ren's uncle, played with him as a kid, watched him grow up, etc., so he just couldn't bring himself to take the kill shot.
Here's the link:
http://www.tor.com/2016/01/12/chewbacca-and-kylo-ren-past-is-explored-in-comic-by-tyson-murphy/
Kor
Here's the link:
http://www.tor.com/2016/01/12/chewbacca-and-kylo-ren-past-is-explored-in-comic-by-tyson-murphy/
Kor
Wait, now we're arguing that Chewie couldn't bring himself to kill Ren/Ben because of potential future redemption? How does one reconcile this with trashing the OP's premise at the same time? (note I didn't originate it, so I don't have a horse in the race -- but I'm curious why one whacko theory gets favor over another).
One whacko theory involves a character randomly committing suicide for no apparent reason. Or at least a reason that's beyond ridiculous. The other theory is ridiculous too, just not quite in the same league.
Did you actually spend time reading the idea? Because if you did, surely you'd see that it wasn't a character "randomly" committing suicide for "no apparent reason". Rather, it was the final selfless act of a distraught father trying to save the last bit of humanity left in his son. But sure, if you read "randomly" and "no apparent reason" into that, go for it. I mean, it's not like anyone in the Star Wars universe has ever sacrificed their life in order to save that of their son.
And what part of "Chewie doesn't immediately disembowel Kylo Ren for killing his lifelong pal because he helped raise him" makes more sense?
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Um, that exact sentence?
I don't believe it either but it makes a hell of a lot more sense.
Even though I'm the one who broached the idea, I fully admit that it's very unlikely. Nevertheless Chewie deliberately pulling a punch because family/honour/what-have-you at least makes a *tiny* bit of sense, at least at the conceptual level. It's also a much more interesting interpretation of that scene.
Which you can't say for Han jabbing himself in the chest with a lightsabre to "save" his psychotic son doing it first (only to then effect an expression of surprise, sadness and betrayal) nor does it make absolutely any sense whatsoever.
Which you can't say for Han jabbing himself in the chest with a lightsabre to "save" his psychotic son doing it first (only to then effect an expression of surprise, sadness and betrayal) nor does it make absolutely any sense whatsoever.
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Agreed.
I personally think Han just happened to have a red light saber in his jacket, and he was reaching for it, and whoops!, accidentally turned it on. That, IMO, is a much more likely scenario.
Regardless of whether or not he hit the button on the saber the movie heavily suggests he was going to be sacrificing himself in the process anyway and he probably knew it just by stepping out onto the bridge. You've got the goodbyes with Leia, splitting up with Chewie etc... And that's nothing new with father son relationships in Star Wars since Luke was willing to sacrifice himself to turn Vader and Vader sacrificed himself in the process of saving Luke from Palpatine. So him stabbing himself isn't what the movie portrayed in my opinion but it's nowhere near as far fetched as it seems from the reaction in this thread.
Kylo wasn't actually trying to kill Han, just scare him away by suddenly activating the blade near his body. Unfortunately, as per the mathematical principle of Lucasian Geometry informally known as Greedo's Law, any energy weapon discharged within a meter of Han Solo's body must itself be mysteriously deflected by at least 30 degrees for no apparent reason. Young Ben Solo, having dropped out of school when he went all emo and joined the dark side, was being homeschooled by Supreme Leader Snoke, who sucks at math, and was therefore unaware of this. He meant to stab his blade into the air to Han's left but instead it deflected right into his chest to Kylo's shock and horror. He had to listen to a lot of Evanescence that night so they could tell him that it was okay to still feel.
Thank you for pointing this out. I mentioned it earlier, but it fell upon blind eyes. Lucas et al. were all about father/son relationships and sacrifices. I don't see why suggesting JJ/Kasdan (part of the previous et al.) went this route too is considered beyond absurd.
