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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Thing is, Squiggy did about as good a job with that page as anyone could - it was for fun, an opportunity to poke a hole in the solemn gas bags and head cases running an expensive project into the ground through either incompetence or malfeasance and boasting every step of the way.

It was fun. :)
It was my audition to be the new TNZ mod. I wound up getting threatened with a lawsuit after a month.

I think it went well!
 
Oh sure, me too. When I say that discussion of his stuff is inevitable, I'm not saying I'm happy that the internet allows mobs to dog-pile onto a person. Just that it's inevitable, and I've seen worse far worse, and Peter's has thus far gotten off easy relatively speaking. Stories abound of people being actually harassed, for years, after having their addresses posted. Internet trolls are vicious, and I've seen them at their worst. The fact that the Facebook group was taken down out of sensitivity towards the man demonstrates to me that he's gotten off lightly. Other "doxing victims" get it much worse.

It's just the state of the world in 2016 that this shit happens. Campaigns against "cyber-bullying" are everywhere, but I don't see how much can be done without censoring the web. We just live in strange times.

I can empathize with Peter's and feel sorry he has to worry about his safety or family. But he's certainly not special, and I can't just blame Michael Hinman for doing something wrong because he didn't do anything wrong. Anybody who would harass Peters' would be the ones guilty of wrongdoing, and anybody who wanted to do that doesn't need Michael Hinman to do so. I condemn harassment, but not discussion of notable persons, even uncomfortable ones.

I just want to make it clear that I do NOT want people going to that house, or really any house (I mean, Peters' own address in California is in that paperwork). That is never the intent, nor did I encourage anyone to go there, or what-not.

And just to reiterate one last time ... the address was not homesteaded, which appeared to either be a vacation home (based on Peters' most recent Florida ownership immediately prior to this purchase), or an investment property in itself, with paying tenants. The only person that ever talked about who actually lived there was Peters, not me.

The address was only of interest to me because it's the listed business address. Same thing that happened when people went looking for the owner of the building Peters rents his "studio" space in. Companies are NOT supposed to be based in private homes (and I'm betting that home is not zoned for commercial). So I'm sorry, I treated it as a business address, because the documents themselves claimed it as a business.

And thanks for your great comments. It's greatly appreciated.
 
Maybe. But I was linking to a public document that anyone could access. Seriously, I could've done what, blacked out the address, and but still provided all the information, that would've taken anyone a simple Google search and about 18 seconds to find? While at the same time, people bitching that I simply didn't link to the document.

::shrugs::
From my own experiences in other web forums, the best thing to do is redact personal info anyway with an explicit acknowledgement that the information is public and the redaction is a mere courtesy. In the context of the discussion, the address was not relevant so you should have left it out. Think of it more like spoiler/NSFW tags, an easily defeated gesture signifying a modicum of sensitivity. Even if it's insincere, it's a good way to cover your ass by pretending to care about the privacy and feelings of the guy whose life you are digging into and exposing.

Because yes, those 18 seconds do make all the difference, because 99% of posters wouldn't bother spending them. Some dumbass will inevitably reply to your post with a link, or revealing the text you redacted, and then that dumbass will be to blame for "doxing", not you.

All my advice is coming from my experiences observing a certain hashtag relating to video games which shall not be named here. Suffice it to say, twitter users' private lives were being exposed by the actual fucking press. Everyone was being doxed and having crazy shit mailed to them, they were fleeing their homes etc. The SPJ actually weighed in on this all this and that's where my advice is coming from. It's due diligence and polite to leave extraneous details out of your reporting if it's not necessary, even if those facts are easily available elsewhere. You could have talked about "a certain property" in such-and-such a state and nobody would have bothered look up the precise address.

And I'm not even saying you did anything explicitly wrong. Just sub-optimally for this new, crazy, connected world. What you did could have been done better, and you ought to learn from it moving forward.
 
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From my own experiences in other web forums, the best thing to do is redact personal info anyway with an explicit acknowledgement that the information is public and the redaction is a mere courtesy.

Maybe. But to be honest, I saw no need to redact a public document that I was linking to. I cannot control what information people choose to make available to the public, and I think it's improper for me to try and anticipate what someone would get bent out of shape for, and what someone wouldn't.

For many years, I did not make my physical address public in any way. And that was primarily because people would "dox" me (I don't get the whole new-age online terminology -- you kids and your rock-and-roll). I mean, during the Old BSG v. NuBSG battle, (and actually some other battle), someone decided to post that I was the editor of a church newsletter (the name of the publication was called the Temple Terrace News, because the city -- where Busch Gardens and the University of South Florida is just outside of Tampa, is called Temple Terrace), got my age wrong based on an interview that appeared on TrekToday's old TrekNation site, which somehow got reposted with the different date, and provided what they thought was my home address.

It's very easy to not have a home address out there. Don't put it in public documents. Sure, you can't get away from putting it on a deed. But then, don't use it as a business address for a corporation that you form, once again a public document.

The over-sensitivity to addresses is quite new. Yet, it's funny that to really get an address, all you have to do is type in a person's name and the city you believe they are in, and more often than not, their address is the first thing that pops up. Hell, it's how I remember my dad's address. =P

In the context of the discussion, the address was not relevant so you should have left it out. Think of it more like spoiler/NSFW tags, an easily defeated gesture signifying a modicum of sensitivity. Even if it's insincere, it's a good way to cover your ass by pretending to care about the privacy and feelings of the guy whose life you are digging into and exposing.

Maybe, but at the time (and really now, I'm iffy on it), there was no reason to do it. As far as I knew, Peters had this property as a vacation property, like the timeshare he owned immediately previously to it. It was not "homesteaded" that I could see, so he was not using it as a primary residence, as defined by Florida law.

If I knew that he had his "godsons" there as he states, sure, I might have considered sharing the information without links, and possibly offering links only if requested. But I had no information supporting that. I simply had a business, and this was what the business claimed as its corporate address. It was the company's legal address.

But if you look back in the many pages here, people shared corporate information links all over the place, especially when it came to the company that reportedly owned the building Ares Studios is based out of. Why would this be treated different than that? And I was linked directly to a corporate filing.

All my advice is coming from my experiences observing a certain hashtag relating to video games which shall not be named here. Suffice it to say, twitter users' private lives were being exposed by the actual fucking press. Everyone was being doxed and having crazy shit mailed to them, they were fleeing their homes etc.

And I am definitely listening to your advice. :) But I am not familiar with the hashtag situation you talked about above. Maybe if you get a chance and can talk to me private (since it might be off-topic here), I'd be happy to review it, and what SPJ weighed in with.

The SPJ actually weighed in on this all this and that's where my advice is coming from. It's due diligence and polite to leave extraneous details out of your reporting if it's not necessary, even if those facts are easily available elsewhere.

I left out a lot of information that I deemed not necessary. But to be honest, it would be a tough discussion to have that would state the listed physical address of a company that is being questioned is not necessary. While you never want to have an over-abundance of information, you don't want anyone to read something you present, and say, "But where is it?" or whatever answer you should've provided in what you presented.

And I'm not even saying you did anything explicitly wrong. Just sub-optimally for this new, crazy, connected world. What you did could have been done better, and you ought to learn from it moving forward.

Fair enough, really. But I'm no stranger to having to balance what should be public and what should be private. And still, it comes down to the fact that I was asking about a corporation that had minimal information available, except for who was listed as its registered agent and its principal, as well as a corporate address. I didn't repeat the corporate address, but it was included in the public documents that discussed the company.
 
Yes, it is. But if you were going to get bent out of shape that you have an address that could make the rounds out there, especially with the way Alec Peters likes to put himself into controversial elements, would you not make that expense?

I really don't think the cost is that big. But then again, I have not inquired about the cost. Maybe the Pakmail site would have that?

Per his claim, yet not per actions. I used to be like many people and buy domain names privately that I just wanted to hang on to for potential future ideas. If I didn't want it to get out, I would pay an extra couple dollars to make it private.

Or, you could have made sure that it was not part of the public discourse to begin with. But then again, that's just blame deflection.

I am not sure what you're looking for me to say.... I agreed, that the initial line of questioning was legit... posting the links to the records was legit. However, when Alec offered you a reasonable explanation, one that was corroborated by someone who really didn't like Peters, the post should have come down (Or at least, the links to the Government Records deleted) . Instead, this morning, before the group was deleted, you double downed on the thread, by a post. And then this afternoon with a whole group.
 
All my advice is coming from my experiences observing a certain hashtag relating to video games which shall not be named here. Suffice it to say, twitter users' private lives were being exposed by the actual fucking press. Everyone was being doxed and having crazy shit mailed to them, they were fleeing their homes etc.

Oh, thank God, I was starting to worry news of that catasrophuck hadn't reached the distant shores of TrekBBS. "I don't see what a big deal it is posting publicly available stuff about people all willy-nilly so the less industrious crazies can have it at their fingertips" is a very pre-... that thing... mindset.

The vilification (including piling on his loved ones) and conspiracy-theorizing combined with a blasé attitude towards posting personal information about people that are developing an internet hate-following is starting to seem really familiar.


By the way, the "I'm just asking questions" excuse I've seen so much of in the last few pages is really childish. Your teachers lied to you. Plenty of questions are stupid. "How do I count the moon?" "Why are policemen's hats made of seawater?" "What happens if I post every piece of public information I can find about Alec Peters on a web page full of people who dislike him?"

"What's wrong with asking questions?" is what you say when the answers don't justify your investigations but you don't want to admit being wrong. There's a reason why it's the catch-phrase of a cable-TV idiot.

You guys are making vulgar jokes about his wife but are all up in arms over a publicly listed address? Talk about lack of perspective.

Like I alluded to above, the combination of the two is really far more disturbing than either on its own (though both are classless, at best).
 
You guys are making vulgar jokes about his wife but are all up in arms over a publicly listed address? Talk about lack of perspective.

Me making a crass joke (while inappropriate) isn't going to open the door to information for an unstable nutjob.
 
You know, 'I'm sorry for the part I played in the self-destruction of your Facebook group and your potential legal woes' takes a lot less time to type than pages of justifications for a short-sighted decision.

So does 'If Alec's reading this, I'm sorry for siccing the loons on you.'
 
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