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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I'd put a ten minute time limit on them, no multi-part stories, no canon characters or ships (including designs), no union actors or crafts people. No crowdsourcing.

I don't know if i'd be that restrictive. Runtimes don't matter, and I mean, if you're using the Federation and Klingons and Vulcans and whatnot, what does it matter if you use Kirk, Spock or whoever? The only thing there I'd agree on is crowdfunding. It's too easy to wind up with TOO much money and accidentally pocket some profit.
 
I don't know if i'd be that restrictive. Runtimes don't matter, and I mean, if you're using the Federation and Klingons and Vulcans and whatnot, what does it matter if you use Kirk, Spock or whoever? The only thing there I'd agree on is crowdfunding. It's too easy to wind up with TOO much money and accidentally pocket some profit.

They're suppose to be fan films. The easiest way to make sure there is no brand confusion is to be very restrictive on what is used.
 
Remember the days when fan films were traded at conventions, and only available to people "in the know"? That's what we need to find a digital/online version of. Mitigate the risk of any mass audience member even finding out of their existence: keep them strictly to the diehard audience that really wants to see it.
Yes! It's time to take Trek back from the masses, returning it to an esoteric wisdom for the privileged few. First thing we need is a secret handshake or greeting... since the Vulcan salute is compromised, I propose we switch to the Romulan salute.

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For what it's worth, for some years now and at CBS' request, we've included the following disclaimer in each of our episodes:

"Star Trek and all related marks, logos and characters are solely owned by CBS Studios, Inc. The videos, the promotion thereof, and/or any other materials created by Star Trek New Voyages are not endorsed by, sponsored by, nor affiliated with CBS, Paramount Pictures, or any other Star Trek franchise, and are non-commercial fan-made films intended for recreational use. No copyright or trademark infringement is intended.

"In no case is the use of said copyrighted material, with or without identifying symbols, intended as a claim of ownership or infringement of those copyrights/trademarks by the maker of these videos or their content providers."
What does NBC think about the use of the Peacock bit at the beginning of each episode?

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How does taxes work for something like the flooring? Ares Studios is getting no cost labor. That has to have some kind of value to the IRS?
 
I would think there would need to be a separate suit. Though there probably will be nothing left by the time CBS is done with them.
Correct. The complaint is not on the donors' behalf.

If there is a bankruptcy, the donors are probably not going to be secured creditors, BTW. Bankruptcies are (in part) designed to put the creditors into a line. The ones which have done more to secure their rights are the ones which are in line before others. If there's nothing left at the end, then that's that.

Do they need to refund donor funds? I'd be interested in seeing that litigated.
 
If they set that precedent, it would probably destroy crowdsourcing as we know it.

That wouldn't really be a precedent if it was a class action lawsuit, would it? I mean, if i raised 10,000 for a product I wanted to make, and stiffed a few hundred people, what would happen based on that precedent? I'd have to refund their money?

Frankly i think it's high time more project creators be held accountable.
 
@BillJ It probably would. I imagine the economics of it will change in the next 5 years, anyway, Axanar or no Axanar.

Someone is going to sue, probably a bunch of donors. Someone will argue that there was a promise to make a film or a set of crocheted doilies or whatever and nothing was delivered, and that IGG or KS or the like profited anyway.
 
That wouldn't really be a precedent if it was a class action lawsuit, would it? I mean, if i raised 10,000 for a product I wanted to make, and stiffed a few hundred people, what would happen based on that precedent? I'd have to refund their money?

Frankly i think it's high time more project creators be held accountable.
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@Albinator There's no reason why it can't be used as precedent, class action or not.
 
I did a quick estimate count on the tiles based on the image. around 1000 tiles Not including the vinyl boarder. At $2.30 pre tile total $2,300 on floor tiles for offices.
 
I've never been comfortable with the idea of the crowdfunding model. I've seen established companies use Kickstarter to fund business upgrades, new variants of existing products, etc. It just seemed to me to be a way to take risks that they wouldn't otherwise.

I've never donated to a crowdfunding campaign, and I probably never will.

I have a tiny little side business, self-funded and maintained by sales. If it grows, it grows. If it doesn't, fine. I'd never consider asking for money on a speculative basis for something I might not be able to deliver.

The fan film crowdfunding is fine by me as long as the donors understand that they have no equity in the product. But it seems to me that every Tom, Dick, and Harry is asking for money for everything under the sun and there's no freaking accountability.
 
Hell for that price they should. lol But joking aside for that price ($2,300) you can get 380 Sheets of MDF (Retail) for Sets!
 
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