Yet they are not so far out in the hinterlands that two starships couldn't meet there for personnel exchange, and definitely not too far out for a 137 year old Admiral McCoy to visit. Picard's last log entry also says that they are rebuilding Farpoint Sation so the alliance doesn't appear to be scuttled.
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^There are American naval bases all over the world. Not to mention overseas branches of American businesses. Or American movies being filmed in Dubai, like Star Trek Beyond. Or American tourists traveling all over the world on a daily basis. It is obviously possible for people to go places that are not actually in their country or even anywhere near its territorial borders. This is so elementary that I can't believe it's a subject for debate.
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If there is anything my background in programming taught me, it is that there can be, and often is, two or more solutions that are equally optimal. Discussing them is not arguing debating. 
Some may see Farpoint as being a lonely point far beyond the edge of the Federation but, given the scant info in the episode, interpreting it in a 24th century St. Louis (Gateway to the West) seems equally valid. Or something in between those extremes.
Some may see Farpoint as being a lonely point far beyond the edge of the Federation but, given the scant info in the episode, interpreting it in a 24th century St. Louis (Gateway to the West) seems equally valid. Or something in between those extremes.
^No, it's right there in the dialogue. "It's hardly simple, Data, to negotiate a friendly agreement for Starfleet to use the base while at the same time snoop around finding how and why the life form there built it." The US government wouldn't have to negotiate with St. Louis for permission to use its facilities. They would have to negotiate with a distant foreign land. There is no ambiguity here, just some people misremembering the details of the episode. Solutions based on assumptions and false impressions are not equal in value to solutions based on actually checking the evidence.
And there are plenty of later episodes in DS9 and elsewhere that clearly suggest that the borders of the Federation are only a few days' travel from Earth. That's why Star Charts decided that the most logical model was one where the Federation's own territory was comparatively small, but the volume of space charted by Starfleet was enormously larger.
And there are plenty of later episodes in DS9 and elsewhere that clearly suggest that the borders of the Federation are only a few days' travel from Earth. That's why Star Charts decided that the most logical model was one where the Federation's own territory was comparatively small, but the volume of space charted by Starfleet was enormously larger.
I also think Star Trek Charts has the Ferengi Alliance and The Cardassion Union too close to the UFP. If they were that distance as indicated then Starfleet would have ran into both in the 23rd Century.
And whatabout Gallifrey? How far is it from the UFP?
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Yes it's 250 million light years according to the Movie which is really a Pilot, that's a good 10 minutes in the Tardis but we'll stick to Trek since this is a Trek Forum
sorry I was just trying to lighten things up since we were getting so seriously bogged down with mapping the Star Trek Universe
It's interesting to note that according to Star Trek Charts the longest part of the UFP extends all the way to Betelguise, 642.5LY as of the 24th Century
According to First Contact the Federation spread across 8000LY but this doesn't sound correct as that would mean a cubic Federation of 20LY. (20*20*20=8000). I think he meant to say 8 Billion as this would seem more realistic whewn workin in 3 Dimensions
^ Well, Picard didn't mention cubic units, so he probably wasn't discussing volume. It was probably more of a linear distance between the two farthest points that are considered part of the Federation, or something like that.
That still doesn't work
The term that Picard used was "spread" across 8,000ly. I get the impression that it's a highly irregular shape, a big sprawling mass. Also, if we accept that the "official" TNG scale is too slow (as suggested by many TNG episodes), why doesn't that work? I only used the sphere calculation above as a rough example of volume.
BTW, congrats on your promotion, Novak Senkovic!
BTW, congrats on your promotion, Novak Senkovic!
In what way?
Thanks
nope, that doesn't work either as it would make the Federation too big
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