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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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I'd be curious to know just what the Supreme Court sees as "reasonable". Sometimes I feel like the courts exist more to support the corporations than to protect the people these days, though that's probably just me reading too much of what comes out of the geek media.

It can work both ways. I recently wrote about a case in Illinois where a guy sued Sears for overcharging him $3.10 in sales tax. The judge awarded him the $3.10 plus over $175,000 in "reasonable" attorney fees. An appeals court ended up tossing the attorney fee award, but still it's a good illustration of how these things work.

Looking at the Axanar case, Loeb & Loeb have three attorneys already assigned to this. The two partners might bill something like $500 per hour. Toss in a couple of paralegals and you're talking a lot of money just for time, to say nothing of expenses. Law firms actually make up a lot of their billing charging clients for photocopies (yes, even in the digital age).
 
I have to admit, after all the talk about Peters being a lawyer, I kind of expected him to try to defend himself.
 
it may come to it if he does not find one in the end that willing to take this case :P
Just to repeat a point that I'm sure we've made elsewhere on this thread, while Peters graduated from law school, he is not an attorney currently admitted to the practice of law in California. While he could technically represent himself in court, he cannot represent the company Axanar Productions, Inc., or any of the unnamed John Doe defendants.
 
It can work both ways. I recently wrote about a case in Illinois where a guy sued Sears for overcharging him $3.10 in sales tax. The judge awarded him the $3.10 plus over $175,000 in "reasonable" attorney fees. An appeals court ended up tossing the attorney fee award, but still it's a good illustration of how these things work.

Looking at the Axanar case, Loeb & Loeb have three attorneys already assigned to this. The two partners might bill something like $500 per hour. Toss in a couple of paralegals and you're talking a lot of money just for time, to say nothing of expenses. Law firms actually make up a lot of their billing charging clients for photocopies (yes, even in the digital age).
I used to audit law firms for an insurance carrier.

$500/hour is pretty standard for specialty practice in a large city. .25 hour billing increments are standard. Hence, for example, if it took 2 minutes to review an email, a lawyer could technically charge .25 hour, or $125 at this rate. Fortunately for most clients, email reviews tend to be bundled and they also tend to be paralegal work, unless it's something important which needs to be moved up the chain.

For a paralegal billing at $100/hour, it's possible a review of 7 emails would take 14 minutes. Billing at bundle out at .25 hour still makes it a $25 bill.

Now multiply that by however many days a case is open, however many communications occur, etc.

Standard legal billings include hourly rates for:
  • Summonses, complaints, answers, and other pleadings.
  • Email and snail mail reviews.
  • Phone calls, both sent and received.
  • Motions (can be drafted by a less expensive paralegal but need to be reviewed and signed off by someone admitted to the Bar. In high-powered firms, paralegals can readily run $100 - $200/hour).
  • Motion appearances (not every jurisdiction requires these as a matter of course; I am unsure what Calif. or Federal practice currently require). These must be done by an attorney admitted to the jurisdiction the motion is being made in, although attorneys can be admitted pro hac vice (for the duration of a case and no longer) upon motion to a judge.
  • File reviews when a matter first comes in and any time someone other than the handling attorney has to do something at least moderately-sized (e. g. appear in court, even if it's only for an hour). Larger files, of course, take more time to review. A case might temporarily pass between attorneys in a firm because someone is going on vacation or they get sick or the like.
  • Depositions, even if the attorney only sits in and does not ask any questions.
  • Settlement conferences, whether in person or via telephone or email.
  • Pretrial appearances, even if the day goes by and the judge never calls the case because it's 8 PM and everybody wants to go home already (firms might waive this or might send a junior lawyer with other things to do if it's not expected that the matter will be called. If a lawyer is waiting for your case, but is spending his/her time wisely and is calling opposing counsel on another claim, then the billing time can only be for one of those two matters, even though technically the lawyer is multitasking. Usually the bill goes to the case where the phone call is made).
  • Trial.
  • Appeal.
And those are just hourly costs. Billable expenses include but are not limited to:
  • Travel (mileage, hotel room if necessary, tolls or public transportation, that sort of thing).
  • Postage.
  • Long distance phone bills.
  • Photocopying as @oswriter noted.
A case open for 30 days, if it is fairly active, costs can easily hit 5 figures. And I am talking about reasonable costs here, not firms unethically overcharging or anything. Legitimate fees can be a lot like buying a used car.

Every month until resolution.
 
A case open for 30 days, if it is fairly active, costs can easily hit 5 figures. And I am talking about reasonable costs here, not firms unethically overcharging or anything. Legitimate fees can be a lot like buying a used car.

Every month until resolution.

Just to drive home @jespah's point, I still do some freelance paralegal work. I just did up a client bill for $12,000 for one month of work on a routine, non-litigation matter. And my lawyer is a sole practitioner who only charges about half of the rates we're talking about here.
 
Agreed. Much as with other topics, the people who need to read it the most are the ones who will scoff and ignore it, assuming Lord Alec doesn't brazenly and stupidly censor it off his precious fan(wank) board.
 
KIRK: This is the Captain of the Enterprise. Our respect for other lifeforms requires that we give you this warning. One critical item of information that has never been incorporated into the memory banks of any Earth ship. Since the early years of space exploration, Earth vessels have had incorporated into them a substance known as fan mentality. It is a material and a device which prevents attack on us. If any destructive energy touches our vessel, a reverse reaction of equal strength is created, destroying
CBS [OC]: You now have two minutes.
KIRK: Destroying the attacker! It may interest you to know that since the initial use of fan mentality more than two of our centuries ago, no attacking vessel has survived the attempt. Death has little meaning to us. If it has none to you then attack us now. We grow annoyed at your foolishness.
 
KIRK: This is the Captain of the Enterprise. Our respect for other lifeforms requires that we give you this warning. One critical item of information that has never been incorporated into the memory banks of any Earth ship. Since the early years of space exploration, Earth vessels have had incorporated into them a substance known as fan mentality. It is a material and a device which prevents attack on us. If any destructive energy touches our vessel, a reverse reaction of equal strength is created, destroying
CBS [OC]: You now have two minutes.
KIRK: Destroying the attacker! It may interest you to know that since the initial use of fan mentality more than two of our centuries ago, no attacking vessel has survived the attempt. Death has little meaning to us. If it has none to you then attack us now. We grow annoyed at your foolishness.
^^^^
All I have to say to this:

"Here come the Marines!":ouch::wtf:;)
 
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KIRK: This is the Captain of the Enterprise. Our respect for other lifeforms requires that we give you this warning. One critical item of information that has never been incorporated into the memory banks of any Earth ship. Since the early years of space exploration, Earth vessels have had incorporated into them a substance known as fan mentality. It is a material and a device which prevents attack on us. If any destructive energy touches our vessel, a reverse reaction of equal strength is created, destroying
CBS [OC]: You now have two minutes.
KIRK: Destroying the attacker! It may interest you to know that since the initial use of fan mentality more than two of our centuries ago, no attacking vessel has survived the attempt. Death has little meaning to us. If it has none to you then attack us now. We grow annoyed at your foolishness.

Heh, how about...

PETERS: This is the Captain of the Axanar. Our disrespect for boundaries requires that we give you this warning. One critical item of information that has never been incorporated into the Twitter feeds of any Axaminions. Since the early years of fan exploitation, fan productions have had incorporated into them a substance known as fan mentality. It is a belief and a delusion which prevents attack on us. If any hostile words touches our precious ideas, a fan-backlash of hissy-fit strength is created, boycotting—

CBS (O.C.): You now have four days.

PETERS: Boycotting the attacker! It may interest you to know that since the initial use of trufan mentality more than two of our decades ago, every attacking corporation has survived the attempt. Reality has little meaning to us. If it has some to you then sue us now. We post furiously about your foolishness.

CBS (O.C.): If you say so.

BOOM!

CBS (O.C.): Ok. Who wants lunch?
 
A case open for 30 days, if it is fairly active, costs can easily hit 5 figures. And I am talking about reasonable costs here, not firms unethically overcharging or anything. Legitimate fees can be a lot like buying a used car.

Every month until resolution.

This is kinda my point from earlier.

As both you and @oswriter point out, legal costs can run into the five figures at the drop of a hat. I don't know about you, but five figures for me? That's not pocket change.

Hence: the law tends to support the corporations / the rich.

(not that this has any bearing on my opinion of the Axanar case; I still think that Peters is going down in flames, and deservedly so. It doesn't mean I think the legal costs are right though.)
 
Alec Peters said:
THE LAWSUIT

We should have some news this week on the law firms we are in discussions with to represent Axanar Productions. I noted one know-it-all blogger said it would be impossible for us to find pro-bono representation. Well, as with just about everything else this newly minted IP expert posted on that blog, that is just wrong. We already have one firm agree to represent us and now we are just waiting to hear back from our first choice, a top 20 IP litigation firm that won a major copyright case recently. So we are pretty excited about who we will have on our side one way or another.

We also have been getting a lot of requests for comment, or to appear on Podcasts. Sorry, but we really can’t discuss the case at this point. But I am happy to talk about Axanar in general, just expect a no comment on the lawsuit.

Found here.

Neil
 
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