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[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

So have they secured rights to a David Gerrold Work, to make commercially after Axanar or not? Because Peters said they had, Gerrold said they hadn't.

Is Ares Studios just a pet name for a warehouse, or is it a place where they are working for commercial productions after Axanar?

Well, the production is certainly given to retconning their own previous statements when it (law)suits the situation. It's an "independent STAR TREK movie" one day, and just another "fan film" when the lawsuit hits. It's a "full-fledged studio" one day, and just the "pet name of our renovated warehouse" when the lawsuit hits.

"Yesterday was to-MA-to. Today is to-MAH-to. Let's call the whole thing off!"

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Ares studio is and always was a pet name. According to Peters, it would be nice to do other productions there afterwards, but no such steps have been taken. I´m sure he and Gerrold have talked about this subject as they seem to communicate frequently - I haven´t read a statement by Peters where he claims he has the rights to any of Gerrolds work, nor have I seen Gerrolds statement.

I could also go stand on a road, close my eyes, and when I get hit by a car, say "I didn't see the car coming"

The production team HAS stated that after Axanar, they INTEND on Ares Studios being used for commercial ventures. They have even said, on Facebook that Ares Studios and Axanar productions are two different companies.

Just because you refuse to look for contradictory statements does't mean they don't exist.

 

[northstar]

I don´t see how either of these contradicts the other one. It was always a fan film, on a professional level. YOu can be a fan and be still a professional.

An intention is nice, but until substantiated it is nothing but hot air.

I would like to see that statement that Ares studios and Axanar productions are two different companies.

 

[Squiggy]

I´ve heard from various sources no C&D was served, but probably no reliable sources in Dennis eyes...
But to me it is still innocent until proven guilty, so I assume they did not received one.

Whether they did or did not receive a C&D is irrelevant. It's not a required step in the process.

I´ve yet to read one statement of Axanar that was "fabricated" or a lie.

Here's an example...

Which is it?

Then you have RMB picture saying it's lights out. And Alec's douchebag response that he's just depressed.

So, either RMB is lying and saying it's lights out to generate more money or Alec lying to generate more money. I doubt either the director OR the producer are mistaken or accidentally thought it was or was not going on. Which is it?

I'm sure that the "we're in talks with the top 20 IP firms in the country" line is bullshit too.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

 

[northstar]

Ok, thanks for that. But where is the "fabrication"? "Ares studio" is still a pet name while running as a business under Peters or Axanar - or vice versa. This is a bit far fetched.

And for the Sushi "celebration" - really????

I wouldn´t wonder that at that time everbody thought it is "lights out", but maybe they though later on they might have a chance. I wouldn´t blame them in these turbulent times.

Anyways, we can speculate all we want and it will change nothing. We´ll see how it turns out and if they get their top IP firm or not.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

I forgot, I also Screen capped it.. here is a better version...

upload pics

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Ok, thanks for that. But where is the "fabrication"? "Ares studio" is still a pet name while running as a business under Peters or Axanar - or vice versa. This is a bit far fetched.

And for the Sushi "celebration" - really????

I wouldn´t wonder that at that time everbody thought it is "lights out", but maybe they though later on they might have a chance. I wouldn´t blame them in these turbulent times.

Anyways, we can speculate all we want and it will change nothing. We´ll see how it turns out and if they get their top IP firm or not.

Considering Peters was considering launching a Kickstarter for Ares, and a separate website, is indication to me, that "Ares Studios, was always considered a separate venture.... Considering statements that he has made, that he secured the Gerrold work, to only be contradicted by Gerrold himself shows me, 1. The studio was going to be used for commercial endeavors, 2. We have a consistent trend of contradictory statements being made when the narrative needs to change.

 

[Squiggy]

Top IP firms aren't going to touch this with a 10 foot pole - they only do that is there's a shot at winning.

It's an open and shut case for CBS and Axanar is going to have to pay for everyone's legal expenses. This alone is going to break them.

 

[SuperSpaceMan]

Was Robert's Instagram post a joke or a bout of depression???


image sharing sites

 

[Squiggy]

And for the Sushi "celebration" - really????

You wanted an example, you got an example.

Almost every single thing that comes out of Axanar is contradicted by something else that has been said.

I mean, how many times has production been delayed and now they don't even have a cast?

 

[Indysolo]

BTW: The Title does not mention Star Trek Animated. The character of Robert T. April was first introduced there. Does that mean, CBS is violating the copyright of Filmation, if they ever mention his name?

Per the lawsuit: "Plaintiffs own the copyrights in this treasured franchise—which includes six television series and twelve motion pictures spanning nearly fifty years—and they continue to produce new original content for the legion of Star Trek fans."

The six television series are:

Star Trek
Star Trek - The Animated Series
Star Trek - The Next Generation
Star Trek - Deep Space Nine
Star Trek - Voyager
Star Trek - Enterprise

Neil

 

[Ion]

Ok, thanks for that. But where is the "fabrication"? "Ares studio" is still a pet name while running as a business under Peters or Axanar - or vice versa. This is a bit far fetched.

Seriously?

Go have a read through the Axanar blogs and whatnot; their intent was clear. And keep in mind, one does not have to legally register a business to be considered as doing business. If he never filed for incorporation or whatever for Ares Studios (and he didn't, AFAIK), then he can only be considered very lucky that CBS filed suit before he got 'round to it.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I expect Axanar to lose, I am perfectly OK with that, and I would be truly shocked if CBS lost.

However, as I am affiliated with neither, I have no dog in this fight.

 

[dahj]

I don´t see how either of these contradicts the other one. It was always a fan film, on a professional level. YOu can be a fan and be still a professional.

So what's to stop the head of 20th Century Fox to say he's a "fan", make a professional film/show and "accept donations" for it?

 

[Wulff359]

Per the lawsuit: "Plaintiffs own the copyrights in this treasured franchise—which includes six television series and twelve motion pictures spanning nearly fifty years—and they continue to produce new original content for the legion of Star Trek fans."

The six television series are:

Star Trek
Star Trek - The Animated Series
Star Trek - The Next Generation
Star Trek - Deep Space Nine
Star Trek - Voyager
Star Trek - Enterprise

Neil

Damit, you're right... Sometimes I am so blind.... There it is on Page 5 Line 11. Mea Culpa!

 

[Mudd]

If you're a commercial enterprise, calling your self a fan is not a get-out-of-jail free card.

It is that simple.

 

[BillJ]

Since they still haven't technically shut down in the face of a full-fledged lawsuit, I doubt a 'cease and desist' would've phased them in the slightest. We definitely know CBS' feelings on the matter from The Wrap story from August 2014 and that didn't slow them down.

 

[Tim Thomason]

I expect Axanar to lose, I am perfectly OK with that, and I would be truly shocked if CBS lost.

However, as I am affiliated with neither, I have no dog in this fight.

Wait, what's this then?!

 

[137th Gebirg]

Per the lawsuit: "Plaintiffs own the copyrights in this treasured franchise—which includes six television series and twelve motion pictures spanning nearly fifty years—and they continue to produce new original content for the legion of Star Trek fans."

The six television series are:

Star Trek
Star Trek - The Animated Series
Star Trek - The Next Generation
Star Trek - Deep Space Nine
Star Trek - Voyager
Star Trek - Enterprise

Neil

Well, that clinches it. CBS Suits have officially re-canonized TAS! At least some good has come out of this then.