It's also false. I can't stand JJ Trek, bu Axanar being everything I want to see as a response? That's just insulting.
CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar
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Dammit people! I finish reading a page and you've got another one going!
Thank you a bunch to anyone who listened in and heard me talk IP (I haven't lived on Long Island since 1995 but I know it comes out at times).
I agree with Smoked Salmon (love that username) in that the particulars of IP law are certainly daunting but the essential truth should be known, not only to anyone who's ever practiced, but to most sensible laymen.
You used a thing that wasn't yours. You did not have permission to use it.
And that's the crux of the biscuit.
There truly is little else to discuss (but I'm not saying to shut down this thread; it's a blast).
Thank you a bunch to anyone who listened in and heard me talk IP (I haven't lived on Long Island since 1995 but I know it comes out at times).
I agree with Smoked Salmon (love that username) in that the particulars of IP law are certainly daunting but the essential truth should be known, not only to anyone who's ever practiced, but to most sensible laymen.
You used a thing that wasn't yours. You did not have permission to use it.
And that's the crux of the biscuit.
There truly is little else to discuss (but I'm not saying to shut down this thread; it's a blast).
Hi folks.
Been lurking here for around six months now, and thought I'd finally chime in. Ironically enough, it was Prelude to Axanar, and researching the Axanar team, that led me to TrekBBS. I was thinking of donating to the next Kickstarter back then, but there was enough weirdness surrounding Mr. Peters that I wasn't willing to risk it; I decided to wait and see.
Even before the lawsuit, the highly mobile goalposts made me very glad that I didn't.
I'm hoping that the suit was spawned more by the business practices around Axanar than anything else; I'm very concerned for the Renegades team and others, and have my fingers crossed that the studios feel respected enough by them that they'll be left alone, but time will tell.
Since there are a couple of legal eagles here, I wanted to point something out that I ran across and see if anyone has an informed opinion on the matter.
I come from the tech world, and when it comes to IP, there's a lot of talk there about "derivative works". Looking into it a bit, I found this gem:
My read is that the stuff Axanar has produced cannot be copyrighted. As such, it's more or less in the public domain (with the obvious exception of the already-infringing material). Please tell me if I'm wrong here.
This would lead me to an interesting possible scenario for the future, assuming that only Axanar gets sued: if someone else has access to the script, they could then turn around and make Axanar even if Peters can't.
Not saying this is a good idea, mind you; it would be a poke in the eye at CBS, so there would probably need to be some kind of approval coming from that direction lest the new producer be sued also just on general principle.
Thoughts?
Been lurking here for around six months now, and thought I'd finally chime in. Ironically enough, it was Prelude to Axanar, and researching the Axanar team, that led me to TrekBBS. I was thinking of donating to the next Kickstarter back then, but there was enough weirdness surrounding Mr. Peters that I wasn't willing to risk it; I decided to wait and see.
Even before the lawsuit, the highly mobile goalposts made me very glad that I didn't.
I'm hoping that the suit was spawned more by the business practices around Axanar than anything else; I'm very concerned for the Renegades team and others, and have my fingers crossed that the studios feel respected enough by them that they'll be left alone, but time will tell.
Since there are a couple of legal eagles here, I wanted to point something out that I ran across and see if anyone has an informed opinion on the matter.
I come from the tech world, and when it comes to IP, there's a lot of talk there about "derivative works". Looking into it a bit, I found this gem:
(Source: http://copyright.gov/circs/circ14.pdf, page 2, top-right paragraph)
My read is that the stuff Axanar has produced cannot be copyrighted. As such, it's more or less in the public domain (with the obvious exception of the already-infringing material). Please tell me if I'm wrong here.
This would lead me to an interesting possible scenario for the future, assuming that only Axanar gets sued: if someone else has access to the script, they could then turn around and make Axanar even if Peters can't.
Not saying this is a good idea, mind you; it would be a poke in the eye at CBS, so there would probably need to be some kind of approval coming from that direction lest the new producer be sued also just on general principle.
Thoughts?
Exactly. For other fans of the original TREK, such as myself, the new films hit all the right action-adventure drama notes that were in the original series.
And Axanar isn't something I've been craving. This production needs to stop talking as if it represents ALL TREK FANDOM.
http://www.axanarproductions.com/casting-axanar/
A younger actor will be playing Garth in the Axanar movie. Which will get made.
Meanwhile, this July I am having two weeks vacation on the planet Jupiter!
A younger actor will be playing Garth in the Axanar movie. Which will get made.
Meanwhile, this July I am having two weeks vacation on the planet Jupiter!
I'd love to seem him get laughed out of the courtroom if that's his defence. "Wait, you're saying that even I can't make money?"
its possible they made some short term demands while compiling their full legal options... Though September to December is a long enough time to make significant changes in policy.
Meanwhile, this July I am having two weeks vacation on the planet Jupiter!
That is great, I hear its lovely there that time of year
Absolutely. People forget that sometimes the obvious is staring them right in the face.
Not that I haven't encountered judges who always see it like that, but the best judges always do.
Peters and company have "contacts at Paramount" or have "talked with people at CBS."
Like his claim to be a lawyer, this is a statement intended to add weight to his opinion without really saying anything.
Many fan films have had contacts or friendly conversations with people at the studio, generally folks in licensing, etc. There were a few moments in my professional life where I could have honestly said that I have "contacts and conversations with people at Star Trek." Big Hoo-Hah.
Having said that, I suppose it's possible that because the producers do have some contacts at the studio they've been calling and talking with those contacts - whoever they are - and on some level really believe or hope that they can still work something behind the scenes to sit down with the legal people, have an informal conversation about exactly what they have to do to get into compliance with the studio's expectations, and do it.
I think when the studio hired Loeb & Loeb they were beyond having an interest in any conversations.
Like his claim to be a lawyer, this is a statement intended to add weight to his opinion without really saying anything.
Many fan films have had contacts or friendly conversations with people at the studio, generally folks in licensing, etc. There were a few moments in my professional life where I could have honestly said that I have "contacts and conversations with people at Star Trek." Big Hoo-Hah.
Having said that, I suppose it's possible that because the producers do have some contacts at the studio they've been calling and talking with those contacts - whoever they are - and on some level really believe or hope that they can still work something behind the scenes to sit down with the legal people, have an informal conversation about exactly what they have to do to get into compliance with the studio's expectations, and do it.
I think when the studio hired Loeb & Loeb they were beyond having an interest in any conversations.
Prelude To Axanar was released on Aug., 2014. I stumbled across it a month later. I checked out their official home page too. I almost donated a few hundred dollars but decided to wait and see if actual production would commence as Axanar was touted for release sometime during 2015. Instead, AP went to Cons, raised more money, concentrated on merchandising ... and as yet no Axanar. At that point I decided to wait for his 2015 Annual Report. It did cross my mind CBS/Paramount might become involved because of IP violations. Fast forward to today (2016) and no Axanar, AP is being sued for IP violations, and Tony Todd quietly left months earlier (AP is still using his likeness for promotion and merchandising). I think I dodged a bullet not donating and frankly, IMHO, AP comes across as a con man.
Jar Jar "My last movie has been open for three weeks and has made 1.5 billion and by this time next week it will likely be the 4th highest grossing movie of all time" Abrams.
Thats why he shortens it all to "JJ".
Hence the lawsuit by CBS. Up until now you had fan films on little better than shoestring budgets doing amazing work imitating show from decades ago. Sure there might be some confusion but spend two minutes on google and clearly STNV and STC are fan productions, not the real thing.
I doubt CBS would go after The Light Works directly, but they sure as heck would want them to stop.
I meant in the sense of new actors looking for a job. Not that the new Star Wars required much acting talent.I was thinking of recently-graduated actors looking for a gig who happen to also be rabid trek fans.
That talent pool is truly vast.
Actors most likely to work on these things are the type of actors we've already seen. These are actors who are already regulars in the convention circuit who would probably want nothing better than to rack up some on-screen credits again. This is also why we've seen cross-pollination from the likes of Lou Ferrigno, Erin Gray, Gil Gerard, etc... These are people who can be easily courted by fan-film producers at conventions. They don't have to go through layers of agents or anything.
Why would those actors be so easily "courted" by fanfilms?
I suspect, no one is taking, or returning Peter's calls at CBS or Paramount... and if he does get through to anyone, he is being referred speak with Loeb & Loeb....
Yep - with my twitter handle... I am getting more women from this then I have ever had before *shrugs*
Meanwhile, over at I Stand With CBS, we're using Star Trek titles to descrive this sorry event
Dang it.. my macbook now has coffee all over it...
House of Kharn or Izarian Gold?
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