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CBS/Paramount sues to stop Axanar

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Truth, we are in the dark, everything is happening behind the scenes.

However, the public face Alac Peters is putting on this whole thing is less then stellar.

Let's not put to fine a point on it, the guy has come across as an egomanic who won't shut his trap to save his own skin & will take down his little empire along with him, a take no prisoners type attitude, which does not look good in the public eye.
It's his mouth that tells us what's going on regarding Axanar is less than savory. His mouth is what got Tony Todd to respond, revealing that he had left the production four months ago. He's getting people with letters behind their name, and law firms under their employ, to pay attention, and believe me, they're paying attention.
 
Truth, we are in the dark, everything is happening behind the scenes.

However, the public face Alac Peters is putting on this whole thing is less then stellar.

Let's not put to fine a point on it, the guy has come across as an egomanic who won't shut his trap to save his own skin & will take down his little empire along with him, a take no prisoners type attitude, which does not look good in the public eye.
It's his mouth that tells us what's going on regarding Axanar is less than savory. His mouth is what got Tony Todd to respond, revealing that he had left the production four months ago. He's getting people with letters behind their name, and law firms under their employ, to pay attention, and believe me, they're paying attention.

If he demands Todd turn up to explain his comments, would I have to go to the US also as I am named in the tweets?

I could just do with a nice holiday

Also, would it be possible to get answers for my questions above?
 
Because I suggested much earlier in the thread that CBS should ask the court to give them possession of the project, let the fans complete it, then show it on All Access as the first of a special series of fan projects.

Who are these "fans" of whom you speak? Peters has said more than once, including in an annual report on the Axanar site, that this is an independent professional production.

You seem to be suggesting that reasonable people can get together and work something out. Coloratura's quote from the Wrap suggests the time for that was a few months ago and the Axanar people missed the hint. It's entirely possible that CBS tried a reasonable approach and Peters et al declined to be reasonable in return. There's a lawsuit now. I suspect they're past the point where a quiet and peaceful solution that makes everyone happy can be reached.
 
Maybe CBS should make this into a Movie of the Week and put it on All Access. :lol:
By "this," do you mean all this drama over Axanar, or Axanar itself?

Because I suggested much earlier in the thread that CBS should ask the court to give them possession of the project, let the fans complete it, then show it on All Access as the first of a special series of fan projects. Respondents didn't believe CBS would be so gracious and mentioned union issues. I thought it would be a good consequence of the Axanar project overstepping it bounds, with CBS making some money from it on All Access (and not this Alec guy, if he is found to have abused the property after all evidence is presented). CBS PR wins (maybe), Axanar itself wins, the volunteers and Kickstarter contributors win, the fans win (if they pay CBS their $6 for All Access), and whoever deserves to lose, loses.

The drama, of course. Axanar is, for all intents and purposes, pwned. ;)
 
Truth, we are in the dark, everything is happening behind the scenes.

However, the public face Alac Peters is putting on this whole thing is less then stellar.

Let's not put to fine a point on it, the guy has come across as an egomanic who won't shut his trap to save his own skin & will take down his little empire along with him, a take no prisoners type attitude, which does not look good in the public eye.
It's his mouth that tells us what's going on regarding Axanar is less than savory. His mouth is what got Tony Todd to respond, revealing that he had left the production four months ago. He's getting people with letters behind their name, and law firms under their employ, to pay attention, and believe me, they're paying attention.

If he demands Todd turn up to explain his comments, would I have to go to the US also as I am named in the tweets?

I could just do with a nice holiday

Also, would it be possible to get answers for my questions above?
They'd just do it over the internet. Sorry, you're stuck in the UK. :D

<looks around furtively>
<leans in, whispering>

Want to trade places?
 
So I just spent way too long reading this thread, and I gotta say, I don't think I've ever seen the BBS this unified.

Axanar died for our sins.
 
I have been away all day playing with 100 ton diesel locomotives (oh what fun that is!) and so have had to do a rapid read through of posts made today. Can somebody tell me the answers to

A) If Star Trek Continues is Anti Axanar, why did they offer the use of their sets?

B) Can somebody tell me what has happened with Wang and why he has left the production? Mr Todd's reasons are now a matter of public record, but Wang seems fairly quiet about it
A. I don't remember STC offering the use of their sets. The Axanar crew did film with the Phase 2 gang and their sets, however.

B. I read somewhere that Wang wasn't apart of Axanar from the start, and that it was a lie to begin with. Not sure of the validity of that statement.
 
So I just spent way too long reading this thread, and I gotta say, I don't think I've ever seen the BBS this unified.

Axanar died for our sins.
We laugh, but there's a fan group somewhere on Facebook that would agree with you. :lol:
 
You know, if by some miracle AP realizes how far in over is head he is right now, it wouldn't surprise me a bit if he and whatever cash is left suddenly disappears before Monday.
 
So I just spent way too long reading this thread, and I gotta say, I don't think I've ever seen the BBS this unified.

Axanar died for our sins.

It is strange isn't it ?
For the most part it's been pretty level headed too.
What are the odds ?
Sure, humorous pot-shots have been taken.
 
It's his mouth that tells us what's going on regarding Axanar is less than savory. His mouth is what got Tony Todd to respond, revealing that he had left the production four months ago. He's getting people with letters behind their name, and law firms under their employ, to pay attention, and believe me, they're paying attention.

If he demands Todd turn up to explain his comments, would I have to go to the US also as I am named in the tweets?

I could just do with a nice holiday

Also, would it be possible to get answers for my questions above?
They'd just do it over the internet. Sorry, you're stuck in the UK. :D

<looks around furtively>
<leans in, whispering>

Want to trade places?

Drat - I thought there was an offside chance I would have to go over and do some testifying if Todd had been called as a hostile

So I just spent way too long reading this thread, and I gotta say, I don't think I've ever seen the BBS this unified.

Axanar died for our sins.

It is strange isn't it ?
For the most part it's been pretty level headed too.
What are the odds ?
Sure, humorous pot-shots have been taken.

One should never shoot at pot - not that I have tried that. The only green stuff I partake in is Orion slave girls
 
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Again, I pledged for Axanar, and I would have liked to see the final film they were going to make; but given the group's current attitude and response, if I thought I could get my pledge back I would - BUT, I did know what I was pledging for, and the pitfalls as they ARE using Star Trek trademarks, and IP without permission - and honestly have been doing nothing but attempting to draw attention to their project and at the same time effectively putting their own negative spin on the legitimate CBS and Paramount Star Trek projects for quite a while. Given that AND the fact they basically said they were planning on leasing out their studio space for other legitimate productions <--- There's no way you cannot infer they were/are using KS and other crowdsourced funds gained by using 'Star Trek' as a means to get those funds to create a 'for profit' business - and that's yet ANOTHER thing I'm sure CBS had an issue with - so IMO CBS is in the right morally and legally.

Mr. Peters' comment effectively saying he has some legal standing can only mean (IMO - and I'm not a lawyer but have worked for/in a court for many years and seen a lot of cases and know a number of Judges) he thinks he will defend on a basis that Paramount/CBS have LOST the ability to enforce their Star Trek trademarks based on:
Failure to Police
Trademark rights may also be lost when a trademark owner fails effectively to police its mark against eroded distinctiveness, which may occur as a result of the presence of confusingly similar third-party marks in the market. For example, if many third parties subsequently begin using the same or a similar mark in commerce in connection with goods and/or services similar to the trademark owner’s after the owner has already begun to use its trademark, and the owner does little or nothing to police its mark, the mark is likely to lose some or all of its value as a source identifier in the marketplace. As a result, the trademark will become weaker, and in some cases it may lose its distinctiveness entirely.

To help avoid such adverse consequences, the trademark owner should police its mark by enforcing its trademark rights through various legal means, such as (a) sending demand letters, (b) initiating opposition or cancellation proceedings with administrative entities, (c) proceeding with litigation in the courts and/or (d) entering into licensing and/or other agreements with third parties, as may be appropriate under the circumstances. While some courts have determined that a trademark owner need not necessarily prosecute every infringing third-party use of its mark, such third-party uses can still affect the distinctiveness of the mark in the mind of the public. The optimal policing and enforcement efforts for particular marks may vary with the particular circumstances involved, such as the nature and importance of the mark, the nature of the trademark owner and the size of its legal budget, and the number and nature of the potential third-party trademark infringements.
And the evidence his team will present are all the various fan productions that CBS has allowed to operate since the time TNG went off the air.

If they go all the way back to the 'Hidden Frontier' group, and then 'Starship Exeter', 'Star Trek: NV/Phase II', 'Star Trek Continues'; and a few more - not to mention 'Renegades' which was helmed by former ST:VOY cast member Tim Russ, they have a period of over a decade where they can claim CBS/Paramount failed to police their Star Trek trademarks/IP; and you never know how a Judge or Jury might see that. (And a case could be made that CNN using the Renegades footage when referencing the new CBS produced Star Trek series to premiere in 2017 shows that Star Trek trademark identity has blurred/eroded.)

So Mr. Peters might think he has leverage to make them want to avoid actually going before a Judge; and thus will somehow get CBS/Paramount to settle out of court (which is what happens in 90%+ of civil cases); and get a settlement that allows his group to complete Axanar in some fashion.

Personally, I think Mr. Peters is delusional and the Axanar group is grasping at straws. If Axanar go to court and lose; anyone involved will have their finances ruined as I'm certain Paramount will ask for court costs and attorney fees in addition to any damages awarded (Mr. Peters may be getting his services pro bono but I'm sure Paramount will list every billable hour and other costs); so we'll have Axanar members having to declare bankruptcy, etc. Hollywood is also an unforgiving town when it comes to unlicensed productions; in that any industry professional identified as a part of Axanar will get blacklisted by studios (the only exception would be a truly A-List bankable personality that will get butts in seats for a film in a major way, and honestly, it's all B,C, and D list personnel); so they should all be scrambling to distance themselves from Axanar if they still want to be able to find union work in the future in Hollywood.

Also, if this does get to court and that is the defense argument used and CBS/Paramount prevails; I'm pretty sure you will see blanket C&Ds issued across the board to every existing fan film group as CBS/Paramount won't want to deal with this situation again.

(In the event CBS/Paramount somehow fails to prevail; and loses the ability to enforce/license a portion or all of the Star Trek trademarks, etc. - Fan Film groups will be able to do pretty much as they like going forward.)
 
Mr. Peters' comment effectively saying he has some legal standing can only mean (IMO - and I'm not a lawyer but have worked for/in a court for many years and seen a lot of cases and know a number of Judges) he thinks he will defend on a basis that Paramount/CBS have LOST the ability to enforce their Star Trek trademarks

Thing is, CBS and Paramount filed a copyright violation suit, not a trademark protection suit. Not sure a trademark-based response would get Axanar anywhere.
 
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