The First Trailer

[Squiggy]

Nahhh.

Keep trying though.

Game. Set. Match.

No relevance whatsoever. Did I say that as many people had watched Pegg's opinion of the trailer on youtube as the trailer itself?

There are loads of movie and sci-fi sites carrying stills and a synopsis of Pegg's comments. People don't have to watch the video on youtube. Youtube isn't the only video site on the internet.

It sounds like you don't know how the internet works these days.

A vast majority of those blogs who are showing the video (and that's the only video) are just showing the Youtube video. So, pretty much...yeah. The only place people are getting that video is Youtube.

Also when you make an assertion - you have to back that up with some evidence.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Saw the trailer in glorious IMAX in front of SW TFA. The reaction was positive. We laughed at the jokes. No one booed or moaned.

 

[Llama]

I liked that episode where Kirk negotiated around a table with the Gorn to come up with a compromise solution to their problems, as a parallel to the cuban missle crisis... oh wait...

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Pegg disappoints me, honestly. He went on a tirade about how this stuff isn't that important then turns around and feeds the fans that take this stuff way too seriously.

Wow, that's impressive. You can't even allow that the actual writer of the movie might have some legitimate complaints about the presentation of the trailer without being dismissive and undercutting him. Bravo.

I'll argue with someone who makes false claims that the trailer was "universally panned" or bases their argument on inaccuracies anytime, but the people who lack the ability to allow for even the most mild dissenting opinions without dismissing those who say it as "taking it way too seriously" or being "haters" are just as disruptive to constructive conversation. Your opinions are not gospel, they're just as subjective as anyone else's.

 

[ancient]

Pegg disappoints me, honestly. He went on a tirade about how this stuff isn't that important then turns around and feeds the fans that take this stuff way too seriously.

If the argument is so many more people watch the trailer than have listened to what Pegg said, and it's likely that a huge chunk of the people who heard what Pegg said are "Trekkies," then it seems to me he played it smart.

I didn't like the trailer. I found it boring. I realize it's just a teaser, but I didn't feel teased. I know I'm in the minority, and I know lots of you love the trailer, and that's cool. I'm glad, genuinely.

But Pegg's comments made me personally more interested in watching the film. His comments made me feel as though he gets why some of us didn't really care for the this trailer because his reasons seem to reflect my own. And what he describes is more of what I hope to see when the film comes out. And since he was a key part of this film behind the scenes, that's reassuring to me.

A lot of the action in the last part of STID was equally boring and fell flat to me. I know most of you won't understand that, and I can't really explain it myself, it's just...I guess you can't control your emotional reaction to art, and movies are no different. But the reason I say that is because I saw STID, and then this trailer seemed to scream "you think we were heavy-handed with action in STID?...just wait!" So from my perspective, that's the opposite of motivating. Not sure if that makes sense to anyone else, but...there you go.

It's important to remember also that Pegg's opinion of the trailer means something more than our own because he has the inside information we lack about how well the trailer represents the movie as a whole, and he apparently found it lacking.

 

[Squiggy]

Pegg disappoints me, honestly. He went on a tirade about how this stuff isn't that important then turns around and feeds the fans that take this stuff way too seriously.

If the argument is so many more people watch the trailer than have listened to what Pegg said, and it's likely that a huge chunk of the people who heard what Pegg said are "Trekkies," then it seems to me he played it smart.

I didn't like the trailer. I found it boring. I realize it's just a teaser, but I didn't feel teased. I know I'm in the minority, and I know lots of you love the trailer, and that's cool. I'm glad, genuinely.

But Pegg's comments made me personally more interested in watching the film. His comments made me feel as though he gets why some of us didn't really care for the this trailer because his reasons seem to reflect my own. And what he describes is more of what I hope to see when the film comes out. And since he was a key part of this film behind the scenes, that's reassuring to me.

A lot of the action in the last part of STID was equally boring and fell flat to me. I know most of you won't understand that, and I can't really explain it myself, it's just...I guess you can't control your emotional reaction to art, and movies are no different. But the reason I say that is because I saw STID, and then this trailer seemed to scream "you think we were heavy-handed with action in STID?...just wait!" So from my perspective, that's the opposite of motivating. Not sure if that makes sense to anyone else, but...there you go.

It's important to remember also that Pegg's opinion of the trailer means something more than our own because he has the inside information we lack about how well the trailer represents the movie as a whole, and he apparently found it lacking.

True. Also, Beyond is his baby so he's going to be disappointed when it's portrayed as something it isn't - regardless if that other thing is good or not.

 

[BillJ]

Your opinions are not gospel, they're just as subjective as anyone else's.

Which is why you'll notice that it opens with "Pegg disappoints me...". It is my opinion on the matter. I haven't told anyone else they needed to agree with my opinion.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Your opinions are not gospel, they're just as subjective as anyone else's.

Which is why you'll notice that it opens with "Pegg disappoints me...". It is my opinion on the matter. I haven't told anyone else they needed to agree with my opinion.

No, you're saying that anyone who expresses any criticism of the trailer whatsoever —including the writer (and the director for that matter)— is taking things "way too seriously" and "feeding" unreasonable fans. You're saying that by default anyone who disagrees with your opinion must therefore be taking things too seriously.

You're so defensive about any criticism (no matter how mild) of the films that you can't even allow that maybe the writer and director, who have way more information than either you or I do, might have some insights into the movie and how it pertains to the depiction in the trailer, and might not think the two align very well.

The amount of hubris and entitlement involved in saying Pegg "disappoints" you because he dared to have an opinion that differed from yours and expressed it publicly is no less than what you constantly criticize Abramsverse "haters" for here.

 

[BillJ]

Your opinions are not gospel, they're just as subjective as anyone else's.

Which is why you'll notice that it opens with "Pegg disappoints me...". It is my opinion on the matter. I haven't told anyone else they needed to agree with my opinion.

No, you're saying that anyone who expresses any criticism of the trailer whatsoever —including the writer (and the director for that matter)— is taking things "way too seriously" and "feeding" unreasonable fans. You're saying that by default anyone who disagrees with your opinion must therefore be taking things too seriously.

You're so defensive about any criticism (no matter how mild) of the films that you can't even allow that maybe the writer and director, who have way more information than either you or I do, might have some insights into the movie and how it pertains to the depiction in the trailer, and might not think the two align very well.

The amount of hubris and entitlement involved in saying Pegg "disappoints" you because he dared to have an opinion that differed from yours and expressed it publicly is no less than what you constantly criticize Abramsverse "haters" for here.

You're reading wayyyy too much into my opinion. They have every right to do whatever they please. It doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

Life goes on.

 

[BillJ]

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I truly wish you got this worked up when people refer to these movies being for the "lowest common denominator" crowd or when people just make shit up to fit whatever narrative they're peddling.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

Is it just me or did they update the height of the bridge area on the saucer?

It looks taller and narrower than the one they'd used in STiD for distance shots.

But shorter and wider than the one they used for closeups.

 

[VOODOOXI]

You'll forgive me if the sight of Captain Kirk popping wheelies (as the name of the director of "The Fast and the Furious" flashes on screen) doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

 

[BillJ]

You'll forgive me if the sight of Captain Kirk popping wheelies (as the name of the director of "The Fast and the Furious" flashes on screen) doesn't exactly fill me with confidence.

It is definitely "new", which is what some folks have been clamoring for. If the entire movie is about Kirk and his motorcycle, I would definitely have an issue.

But I can't imagine that being the case.

 

[137th Gebirg]

Is it just me or did they update the height of the bridge area on the saucer?

It looks taller and narrower than the one they'd used in STiD for distance shots.

But shorter and wider than the one they used for closeups.

Yeah, they've changed the scale of that ship at least 3 or 4 times now. I've given up on trying to figure out how big it's supposed to be.

You'll forgive me if...

...if you write everything as if you're yelling? No, I won't!

 

[Locutus of Bored]

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I truly wish you got this worked up when people refer to these movies being for the "lowest common denominator" crowd or when people just make shit up to fit whatever narrative they're peddling.

I have criticized and rebutted both of those types of comments extensively, including in this very thread (and others) a couple days ago. But you knew that already.

 

[ConRefit79]

Yeah, they've changed the scale of that ship at least 3 or 4 times now. I've given up on trying to figure out how big it's supposed to be.

Another reason to go back to physical models.

 

[dub]

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I truly wish you got this worked up when people refer to these movies being for the "lowest common denominator" crowd or when people just make shit up to fit whatever narrative they're peddling.

Fortunately for you, there's no lack of people around here getting worked up over nuTrek criticism. And vice versa. And apply that to every topic on the BBS. And to the entire internet.

 

[M'Sharak]

Is it just me or did they update the height of the bridge area on the saucer?

It looks taller and narrower than the one they'd used in STiD for distance shots.

But shorter and wider than the one they used for closeups.

Yeah, they've changed the scale of that ship at least 3 or 4 times now. I've given up on trying to figure out how big it's supposed to be.

The scale of the ship is a whole different question, though (and besides, that goes in the Starship Size Argument Thread! :P )

While the bridge model used for the closeups is noticeably different, I'm not so sure the apparent differences in the bridge module between the first two pics couldn't be explained away simply by the differences in lighting and perspective.

Yeah, they've changed the scale of that ship at least 3 or 4 times now. I've given up on trying to figure out how big it's supposed to be.

Another reason to go back to physical models.

To reiterate: take it to the Starship Size Argument Thread linked above. I will not have that squabble derailing any more threads than it already has.

 

[TheFlutteringHorde]

While the bridge model used for the closeups is noticeably different, I'm not so sure the apparent differences in the bridge module between the first two pics couldn't be explained away simply by the differences in lighting and perspective.

That's what I'd thought at first, but (to me at least) it looks like the entire area sits up closer to the dome on top compared to the other.

Could just be the lighting and perspective though. It just seemed like it was raised to make it less incongruous with the close up version, but I'm probably seeing things

 

[M'Sharak]

While the bridge model used for the closeups is noticeably different, I'm not so sure the apparent differences in the bridge module between the first two pics couldn't be explained away simply by the differences in lighting and perspective.

That's what I'd thought at first, but (to me at least) it looks like the entire area sits up closer to the dome on top compared to the other.

Could just be the lighting and perspective though. It just seemed like it was raised to make it less incongruous with the close up version, but I'm probably seeing things

I'm really not fussed about it, either way. If they changed it a little, great; if they didn't, that's fine, too.