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Finally a "Space Opera" worth the name..been a long time coming..hope it keeps the bar as high as they have set it..and keep the technobabble (i.e. lazy writing) to a minimum.. overall I enjoyed it...no iconic ship designs yet..but one can always hope..

Acting ran from decent to good...storyline was easy for me to follow..and I haven't read the books yet..special effects are well done, physics are also plausible, (though still "sound in space issues)..it's really not a Firefly clone..and shows the best potential I've seen in a long time..
 
Thanks for the link Santa Kang.
I'm pretty sure the bit about the treatments for Belter children was in the book.
I was confused by Holden not being XO too. Like you said, it just seemed like an unnecessary change, that I really can't see impacting the overall story.
I didn't realize that was supposed to be the same character that Holden was sleeping with in the book.

Yeah, it's mentioned in the book the Belters get treatment as children for the low G. My point was that the show added that there were different treatments you could get to explain why Miller doesn't look like a Belter. The real reason is of course that it makes the show easier to produce, which doesn't bother me as his height isn't relevant to the story.
I missed the bit you mentioned there.
While I'm writing this post there is an add for The Expanse premiere running at the top of the page. I find that kind of funny.
 
Reading comments and reviews of the episode across the internet, I've noticed a lot of people don't seam to realize the the girl in the opening scene is Julie Mao, the rich daughter Detective Miller is looking for. It's not supposed to be a secret, and even though the show doesn't explicitly point it out, it's obviously the same actor/character.

So, for those that haven't read Leviathan Wakes, was this something you picked up or not?
 
I don't think I made that connection, no. I pretty much forgot the opening scene existed pretty quickly. :eek:
 
Reading comments and reviews of the episode across the internet, I've noticed a lot of people don't seam to realize the the girl in the opening scene is Julie Mao, the rich daughter Detective Miller is looking for. It's not supposed to be a secret, and even though the show doesn't explicitly point it out, it's obviously the same actor/character.

So, for those that haven't read Leviathan Wakes, was this something you picked up or not?

I did..and I haven't read the books..
 
Reading comments and reviews of the episode across the internet, I've noticed a lot of people don't seam to realize the the girl in the opening scene is Julie Mao, the rich daughter Detective Miller is looking for. It's not supposed to be a secret, and even though the show doesn't explicitly point it out, it's obviously the same actor/character.

So, for those that haven't read Leviathan Wakes, was this something you picked up or not?

I did..and I haven't read the books..

It probably helps that the camera lingers on the name tag on her jumpsuit.
 
Reading comments and reviews of the episode across the internet, I've noticed a lot of people don't seam to realize the the girl in the opening scene is Julie Mao, the rich daughter Detective Miller is looking for. It's not supposed to be a secret, and even though the show doesn't explicitly point it out, it's obviously the same actor/character.

So, for those that haven't read Leviathan Wakes, was this something you picked up or not?

I did..and I haven't read the books..

It probably helps that the camera lingers on the name tag on her jumpsuit.

EXACTLY!!!:techman:
 
Hmm... I wish I were more excited about this. Seeing a genuine hard-SF space show on TV is remarkable. I like the realistic approach to space and ships and physics, and there are some nifty touches like the bird on Ceres flapping its wings so infrequently -- although there are other annoying concessions to being filmed on Earth, like the silly trope of people using magnetic boots to walk around (which is enormously less efficient than just floating). And for once we get an explosion in space that doesn't look like a fiery liquid-fuel explosion in an atmosphere -- although they still cheated by making the nuclear blast endure far longer than it really would in vacuum. Without an atmosphere to heat to incandescence, the flash would be over in a split second.

The setting reminds me a lot of my own Only Superhuman -- the focus on an Asteroid Belt culture centered around Ceres, with Earth and Luna combined under the UN or equivalent and Mars as a separate sovereign nation. (Although I resisted the standard SF trope of treating "the Belters" -- or Striders, in my case -- as a single monolithic culture, instead making them a variety of competing subcultures.) So I wanted to like this.

But I'm afraid I don't find it very engaging. Too much of it is stuff we've seen many times before -- a society on the brink of war, ruthless corporations and wage slaves, corrupt cops, your typical dystopian stuff. Virtually no sympathetic characters; the only decent thing anyone did was Holden undeleting the distress call, and that was something he did reluctantly. So far, they haven't given me much reason to care about any of these characters. And the casting department did not do well on the diversity front.
 
Yeah, the cast includes an Anglo-Dominician, an Iranian-Canadian, an Iranian-American, an African-American and French-Thai as well as three white guys.
 
Yeah, the cast includes an Anglo-Dominician, an Iranian-Canadian, an Iranian-American, an African-American and French-Thai as well as three white guys.

The actors are all from Earth, obviously. :lol:

I'm not sure if you've read the book, Christopher, so you may be missing the point. It's been pointed out it's a diverse cast anyway - and most of the ethnicities match those from the book--but a large part of the book was the notion that 'old' prejudices have disappeared in favor of all new ones.

Belters don't trust anyone from Earth or Mars. People from Earth look down on Mars and vice versa. Both Earth and Mars think Belters are lawless hillbillies and use them only for the resources of the Belt. It even gets to the physical as Belters have physical differences that they tease gravity-born characters about.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty pleased with the diversity of the cast. They've kept fairly true to the book in that regard (having Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham actually involved with the whole process probably helped with that). The only noteworthy (and unfortunate) change that I can think of off the top of my head is Ade, the navigator on the Canterbury. In the book she was a Nigerian named Ade Tukunbo; in the show she's named Ade Nygaard, likely of some sort of Scandinavian descent considering the name. Not really sure why they felt the need to make that change.
 
Yeah, I'm pretty pleased with the diversity of the cast. They've kept fairly true to the book in that regard (having Ty Franck and Daniel Abraham actually involved with the whole process probably helped with that). The only noteworthy (and unfortunate) change that I can think of off the top of my head is Ade, the navigator on the Canterbury. In the book she was a Nigerian named Ade Tukunbo; in the show she's named Ade Nygaard, likely of some sort of Scandinavian descent considering the name. Not really sure why they felt the need to make that change.

Maybe it's a legal thing. I can remember when Enterprise came out that it was originally going to be Jackson Archer but at the time there were only 3 people by that name in the U.S at the time so they had to change it.
 
Yeah, the cast includes an Anglo-Dominician, an Iranian-Canadian, an Iranian-American, an African-American and French-Thai as well as three white guys.

The actors are all from Earth, obviously. :lol:

I'm not sure if you've read the book, Christopher, so you may be missing the point. It's been pointed out it's a diverse cast anyway - and most of the ethnicities match those from the book--but a large part of the book was the notion that 'old' prejudices have disappeared in favor of all new ones.

All I know is, most of the dominant characters seemed to be white -- both the cops on Ceres, their captain, most of the speaking roles among the Cerean populace, almost the entire crew of the Canterbury besides the English-accented black woman. There were a couple of actors who seemed ethnically ambiguous, but I couldn't be sure. Yes, there were a few people here and there of other ethnicities, but there were a lot more nonwhites among the nonspeaking extras than among the core cast.

Having a mostly white cast with a few other ethnicities here and there is a typical way of portraying "diversity" in TV and movies, but it's not a statistically representative depiction of the human race. Globally, Caucasians are a minority, making up no more than a sixth of the species and decreasing. More than half of humanity is Asian. So the ethnic mix on the show just didn't look credible for a 23rd-century setting. Unless there's some backstory I'm missing about how space was colonized mainly by Europeans and North Americans -- but then, the US is on track to be a white-minority country by the end of the century, so I'm not sure that covers it.
 
I've got to disagree. I thought other than the unnecessary race change on Ade they gave us remarkably diverse cast. I'm pretty sure there are going to be some more non-white recurring characters introduced later on too. Hell, there are still shows on the air with all white main casts, so it seem ridiculous to me complain that a show with 5 non-white actors, going by what Santa Kang posted, is not diverse enough.
Was the pilot aired on TV exactly the same as what was put on the streaming services? I know sometimes the early release version is slightly different from what ends up airing on TV.
 
although there are other annoying concessions to being filmed on Earth, like the silly trope of people using magnetic boots to walk around

Actually, I think magnetic boots are featured in the novels too. People seem to switch between using them or just floating around.

Was the pilot aired on TV exactly the same as what was put on the streaming services? I know sometimes the early release version is slightly different from what ends up airing on TV.

I didn't notice any differences.
 
although there are other annoying concessions to being filmed on Earth, like the silly trope of people using magnetic boots to walk around

Actually, I think magnetic boots are featured in the novels too. People seem to switch between using them or just floating around.

The book, which is not restricted by filming in gravity, explicitly says that they use magnetic boots when exploring the Scopuli. And it makes sense to me as well. They are investigating a damaged ship that could be dangerous. Using magnetic boots allows you to anchor yourself without needing to grap hold of something, leaving your hands free to do other stuff, like aim a weapon.
 
I've got to disagree. I thought other than the unnecessary race change on Ade they gave us remarkably diverse cast.

Compared to five or ten years ago, maybe. But I guess I've been spoiled by recent shows like Sleepy Hollow and Minority Report (and even Star Wars Rebels), which do excellent jobs with diverse casting. On Minority Report, aside from the returning characters from the movie (which had an almost entirely white cast), the lead and supporting characters alike were majority-nonwhite, which was a good representation of what the demographics of the US are expected to be like in 50 years -- and, indeed, was a good representation of the present-day demographics of Washington, DC, where the show was set.


Hell, there are still shows on the air with all white main casts, so it seem ridiculous to me complain that a show with 5 non-white actors, going by what Santa Kang posted, is not diverse enough.
I'm not comparing it to present-day shows, which are mostly a pretty crappy baseline for inclusion (although, as I said, there are a number of present-day shows that do better than this one, so it's hardly "ridiculous"). I'm comparing it to what would be plausible to expect from the demographics of a spacefaring civilization in the 23rd century. After all, the show is striving for plausibility in its portrayal of physics and technology, so why is it wrong to assess the plausibility of the show's demographic futurism? When you choose to do hard science fiction, you open yourself up to a higher standard of criticism when it comes to every aspect of your work's credibility. You're deliberately courting an audience that desires and expects such high standards. As a hard-SF author myself, I think that's entirely fair. I'm applying the same standards to this that I apply to my own work.


Actually, I think magnetic boots are featured in the novels too. People seem to switch between using them or just floating around.

The book, which is not restricted by filming in gravity, explicitly says that they use magnetic boots when exploring the Scopuli. And it makes sense to me as well. They are investigating a damaged ship that could be dangerous. Using magnetic boots allows you to anchor yourself without needing to grap hold of something, leaving your hands free to do other stuff, like aim a weapon.

If you need to anchor yourself by your feet, there are going to be plenty of straps and handles and crevices that you can hook your toes into as well as your hands. I've seen SF that portrayed microgravity-dwelling populations that went barefoot and had nearly prehensile toes, thanks to a lifetime of using them to grasp things, if not due to genetic engineering. In free fall, feet don't need to be weight-bearing platforms, so they're free to become dextrous gripping tools in their own right.

Not to mention that in free fall, you don't necessarily need to anchor yourself. Once you've come to a stop, you'll just stay there. At most, you'll rotate around your center of mass, but with practice you can control your body orientation through subtle corrections.

NASA experimented with magnetic boots, but abandoned them for a variety of reasons. For one thing, a lot of spaceship/station construction is aluminum, which magnets don't stick to. Ferromagnetic materials would be heavier and would waste fuel to push around. Also, the magnets would create interference with shipboard electronics, sensors, or communications and could be dangerous. Or you could inadvertently get some floating wrench stuck to your foot or something.

For another thing, magnets strong enough to hold a human-sized body in place would be extremely hard to pull off the surface, so you'd quickly get exhausted from the effort, and you'd be in deep trouble if you needed to move quickly and suddenly. You could probably devise some kind of smart boots that turned off the electromagnets when they sensed you lifting your foot, but the constantly changing magnetic fields would probably be even worse for shipboard electronics, and it's still immensely more efficient just to push off and coast forward, and you have far more freedom of movement. Using magnetic boots in free fall makes about as much sense as trying to swim with 30-pound weights strapped to your feet so you can "walk" along the bottom of the pool. It is vastly harder to do and you don't gain anything by doing it. And it wouldn't give you any real sense of up or down, because that's a function of your inner ears rather than your feet. It wouldn't actually feel like walking in gravity at all.

In every respect, magnetic boots are a terrible idea for moving around in space, and the only reason for ever using the conceit is to make an excuse for the fact that you're not actually filming in microgravity. I can understand why a show filmed on Earth has no choice but to use the trope, but it's still intrinsically implausible. I'm bewildered to hear that the books use the trope, because there's no reason for it there.
 
As a hard-SF author myself, I think that's entirely fair. I'm applying the same standards to this that I apply to my own work.

Sure, I remember John Scalzi's interpretation of your cover showing how realistic it was.

That's quite a non sequitur, since I did not create or have approval over the cover art. However, in Raymond Swanland's defense, I've been told by more than one woman that they had no trouble recreating the cover pose, and I've done it myself, so it's not nearly as implausible as it might appear at first glance.
 
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