That has really subsided since TNG went off the air twenty-plus years ago.
The First Trailer
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That has really subsided since TNG went off the air twenty-plus years ago.
Christ, has it been that long?
Not really, since Patrick Stewart has remained firmly in the limelight.
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Indeed you should have. I require lengthy explanations of why we're getting ready to do something before we prepare to do something, and then I expect long, painful recitations of why that thing must be done. Then we will begin to prepare to do the thing we explained we were prepared to do.
Yes, they want to use delicious sugar to draw people in, so that they can get their broccoli without realizing it. Or not. Who knows from a simple trailer?
Not just any Trek, but classic Trek! This movie has TOS fingerprints all over it!
All we need is a giant cave shaped like a lizard head!
Oh god, yes. Make it happen!
Oh my, no. Picard is awesome, but he's not nearly as iconic as Kirk or Spock. Not even close. Movie-goers probably remember him more as Professor X than they do Jean Luc Picard.
The Kirk vs Picard debates happen between Star Trek fans, not people on the street who are, at most, casual viewers who have likely seen TOS, and bits of TNG in the 1990s.
This trailer has to reach those people.
Yep. I love that our heroes are human, er, in a manner of speaking (sorry Spock).
I think you misread my post. I never claimed Star Trek was "better" than other franchises like Star Wars or Terminator. In fact, Mad Max: Fury Road is one of the best action movies ever made, bar none, and I very seriously doubt this next Star Trek movie will give it a run for its money. In fact, I specifically stated that I was not claiming that Star Trek was better than other things. I said it was different. Now, with this new direction, they are making Star Trek the same as everything else. Its differences, what made it unique, have been deliberately eliminated. It is absolutely revisionist history to claim that the original Star Trek series was mostly mindless fun action. It's the same revisionist history as when George Lucas claims the original trilogy "was just as much for kids" as the prequels - it's his faulty defense for making bad movies.
Again, at its best, Star Trek WAS more thoughtful and cerebral than many other franchises. It was classier. It was talkier. It had theatrical and literary elements. The characters quoted high literature. It was at times surprisingly subtle and nuanced. Sure, Kirk fought a man in a lizard suit, but that's not the best episode, and why base movies on the tone of mediocre episodes?
I don't get any of these points - are you guys claiming that Star Trek was NEVER different than other action franchises? Look back at the episodes I've listed. There is a consensus on the best episodes of all the series. Most of us agree on what the best episodes are. Why not aim to be as great as those episodes? Why aim for forgettable, entertaining mediocrity? I refuse to accept the claim that the original Star Trek series was also forgettable, entertaining mediocrity, because it just isn't so.
Dude, chill. It's just a trailer that lasts a minute and a half. The fact is that the trailer has to be edited that way to appeal to a mass audience. It does not mean that the whole movie is like that. There might be plenty of smart scenes in the movie. But the bottom line is that I want Star Trek to be a success. Every fan should want that! If a fast paced, action packed trailer helps Star Trek do well at the box office, then great!
Do you and others recall no other film that presented different themes for the same movie in different trailers for the purpose of broad spectrum marketing via numerous specific markets? If you can't read through my meaning, I'll make it simple: Market to the action demographic with an action trailer in front of an action movie. Market to the cerebral demographic with a cerebral trailer in front of a movie with hopes for an Academy Award. Show an action trailer in front of a scripted wrestling show or a NASCAR race. Show a trailer with purely character moments in front of a chick flick. Get it?
Jumping on top of one trailer and making judgements without waiting for more, or for the film itself, seems to me like a nihilistic disposition toward killing the things we love and, indeed, our own love for the things we used to enjoy because it's less bother than caring about something enough to give it a chance.
Judging by most of the comments I've read elsewhere, Paramount should probably be tossing this film right in to the dustbin.
Random observations:
A new Starship Enterprise will likely be needed.
They made the uniforms solid departmental colors. No more textured Delta Shields all over the tunic. I didn't mind them, but these do look crisper and more like the TOS uniforms, though the colors are sharper. It's a good change.
The new uniform overcoats are pretty dapper too.
Deep Roy's Keenser character is spotted in the quarry scene being queued up with the rest of the crew.
They changed the barrel of the hand phaser. I'm seriously glaring at my $65 QMX replica that I bought with the special edition Blue-Ray of Into Darkness.
Scotty is wearing his Starfleet Academy class ring. Little call-back to the design of the one used to blow up the Section 31 facility in Into Darkness.
The Aliens that Sofia Boutella's character fights with, and the "big baddie" character that says "This is where the frontier pushes back." has strong resemblance to Remans. It's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they're Remans, probably a completely new race. I'm just noting the similarity.
Kirk crashed his step-dad's vintage car in Star Trek, and now is crashing a motorcycle. His personal auto insurance must be through the roof.
A new Starship Enterprise will likely be needed.
They made the uniforms solid departmental colors. No more textured Delta Shields all over the tunic. I didn't mind them, but these do look crisper and more like the TOS uniforms, though the colors are sharper. It's a good change.
The new uniform overcoats are pretty dapper too.
Deep Roy's Keenser character is spotted in the quarry scene being queued up with the rest of the crew.
They changed the barrel of the hand phaser. I'm seriously glaring at my $65 QMX replica that I bought with the special edition Blue-Ray of Into Darkness.
Scotty is wearing his Starfleet Academy class ring. Little call-back to the design of the one used to blow up the Section 31 facility in Into Darkness.
The Aliens that Sofia Boutella's character fights with, and the "big baddie" character that says "This is where the frontier pushes back." has strong resemblance to Remans. It's HIGHLY UNLIKELY that they're Remans, probably a completely new race. I'm just noting the similarity.
Kirk crashed his step-dad's vintage car in Star Trek, and now is crashing a motorcycle. His personal auto insurance must be through the roof.
Yeah, why did the Borg try to assimilate it? Honestly their mission was doomed from the beginning, because they did not travel back in time before attacking Earth, stupid.
But yeah, I totally agree. Enterprise had nothing to do with defeating the Borg
Everyone has their favorites Trek's and I can understand the Abrams/Lin films not being everyone's cup of tea (Voyager/Deep Space Nine aren't my cup of tea). What drives me crazy is when people try to pick them apart based on things that Trek has always done.
More often than not, the Enterprise has been a punching bag in the films. Why start criticizing it now?
Oh, don't worry. I'm really fair. I love Star Trek 09. My favourite Star Trek film. But honestly, it's not like the Enterprise does anything else than being screwed with. I mean for most trekkies, she's the hero of that series. Kirk fell in love with her, Picard did so. Sisko was singled out for not doing so. And in every second occasion it's her tech that saves the day. They missed this
I wonder if it's too late to prepare a Captain Worf movie for the anniversary and show that instead.
That trailer certainly didn't raise my expectations ... but maybe that will turn out to be a good thing after all. The trailer for Into Darkness had me so excited that the following deep, deep disappointment was inevitable. So maybe this time I'm in for a happy surprise!
I think only TNG fans will go see it.
I don't see how it will draw in the masses.
Of COURSE it's possible that the trailer is misleading. It's also possible that Force Awakens is going to be the best Star Wars movie since The Empire Strikes Back. I'm just putting forth ideas based on what experience has taught me is the most likely scenario. It's entirely hypothetical. I've got a few minutes to spare before my kid gets home from school, and I decided to rant about my annoyance with both modern marketing as well as modern mishandling of previously great science fiction franchises. I am not presenting a fully-fledged, perfectly cogent argument based on facts - I am offering a hypothetical discussion based on an educated assumption meant to wile away a couple of minutes. If I'm wrong, then I'm wrong, and I'm happy, 'cause that'll mean the movie is great.
So, I'm just saying that IF the movie is like the trailer, then my claims stand. Until then, I offer them as food for thought. I am basing my assumptions not only on the trailer, but on the last two...no, wait, three Star Trek movies. If history changes, and Simon Pegg has proven to be the Star Trek fan he claims to be, then you and I and everyone else on this board will have a very pleasant surprise next summer.
This is a movie made for 2016, not a tv show made for 1968. It's also not a movie made in the 80s starring people from the 60s in their 60s.
So you don't like it. Big whoop. It's all subjective. That's fine.
I'm a huge TOS fan and I did get a TOS vibe from it. Hard to say which episode specifically because you can't really tell what's going on. But, from the minimal details in the trailer, maybe The Apple?
I don't know if the film will pan out to be a TOS planet story but with a huge budget (and explosions), but that would be great if it did!
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I liked it! It's fun, but it still has an element of mystery to it. They're obviously in a bind, and it makes me think that each trailer is going to have to play to both their individual strengths and their teamwork in order to get out of it.
Kinda makes me think of Blues Brothers, having all the crew members strewn around different parts of the planet, and resolving to "get the band back together."
Kinda makes me think of Blues Brothers, having all the crew members strewn around different parts of the planet, and resolving to "get the band back together."
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