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“Heaven Sent” Grade and Discussion Thread

What did you think of tonight's episode

  • One in a Million

    Votes: 73 62.9%
  • One Man Army

    Votes: 24 20.7%
  • One Man Band

    Votes: 12 10.3%
  • One is not Amused

    Votes: 4 3.4%
  • One out of Ten

    Votes: 3 2.6%

  • Total voters
    116
What was the significance of the hexagonal hole with arrows pointing towards it?

He made a point of examining that but no more?
 
This episode is better the second time around, partcularly this sequence:

DOCTOR: (angry) That's when I remember! Always then. Always then. Always exactly then! I can't keep doing this, Clara! I can't! Why is it always me? Why is it never anybody else's turn?
BLACKBOARD: How are you going to win?? (seven underlines.)
DOCTOR: Can't I just lose? Just this once?
(He hides under the time rotor assembly.)
DOCTOR; Easy. It would be easy. It would be so easy. Just tell them. Just tell them, whoever wants to know, all about the Hybrid.
(The Doctor is sitting on the ground in a channel cut part way through the Azbantium, as the Veil arrives in room 12. In the Tardis, in his head, he comes out and runs around the console room.)
DOCTOR: I can't keep doing this. I can't! I can't always do this! It's not fair! Clara, it's just not fair! Why can't I just lose?
BLACKBOARD: No!
DOCTOR: But I can remember, Clara.You don't understand, I can remember it all. Every time. And you'll still be gone. Whatever I do, you still won't be there.

Now I know what he's talking about here. Ouch.

This scene was what I was thinking of when I said this episode finally provided some character development this season. That might have been and will probably be the best scene of season 9
 
What was the significance of the hexagonal hole with arrows pointing towards it?

He made a point of examining that but no more?

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...-purpose-of-the-octagonal-room-in-heaven-sent

The layer stone he dug up in the grave telling him to go to room 12 used to live there in that gap.

Personally my mind went somewhere else entirely first.

The early seasons of Smallville were about a Hexagonal key that turned on the space ship, or turned on the Kryptonian computer console hidden in the Cowachi caves.
 
What was the significance of the hexagonal hole with arrows pointing towards it?

He made a point of examining that but no more?

http://scifi.stackexchange.com/ques...-purpose-of-the-octagonal-room-in-heaven-sent

The layer stone he dug up in the grave telling him to go to room 12 used to live there in that gap.

Personally my mind went somewhere else entirely first.

The early seasons of Smallville were about a Hexagonal key that turned on the space ship, or turned on the Kryptonian computer console hidden in the Cowachi caves.


LOL. clever ideas
 
Personally I think its a bit of a perfect storm of reasons. Be interesting to see what kind of a relaunch S10 turns out to be...whenever it arrives :p

Personally, I would like S10 to stop the "Am I a good man?" theme and just give us a good Doctor who travels through space and time with a companion, having fun adventures and saving people.

I thought he had kinda stopped that in Series 9?
 
Also the first time someone has said "ass"on DW. The Daily Fail will not be pleased. :)

What?? When?

Do you mean the writing on the blackboard?

Wait, do you mean 'Arse'?

when the Clara simulacrum was saying the Doctor should get off his arse and solve the problem?
 
I didn't even notice the music, but then again I usually don't :eek:

I'm assuming the hybrid thing isn't to be taken literally. It's not that the Doctor has 50% Dalek DNA or summat, but that's he's symbolically half Dalek because of his blood thirsty nature at times. He destroyed the entire Dalek race and the Time Lord race, at least until Moffat ret-conned it away...

No no, he thought he did, cos he didnt remember the events fully because of the presence of his future selves.

Dialogue between the eldest Doctors (in their 11th and 12th lifetimes), confirmed that the younger versions (the ones in their 9th and 11th lifetimes wouldn't remember the events (at least fully/properly) as their timeslines were 'out of sync'.

On a side note, The Doctor (in his 12th lifetime) may not remember meeting the fellow called the Curator if he indeed is the Doctor at a later date.
 
Was that Jenna always playing Clara's rear-end this week?

Oh.

Jami Reid-Quarrell who played the colony of snakes in the beginning of the season played the veil in this episode.

How nice for the bloke to get an extra paycheck :)
 
He wasn't gliding around on one of those wheelie things this time though.

Hehe, I went to Cardiff Castle this past summer. The various Tudor rooms in this episode were shot there. Stuck right out. :)

Mark
 
I'm assuming the hybrid thing isn't to be taken literally. It's not that the Doctor has 50% Dalek DNA or summat, but that's he's symbolically half Dalek because of his blood thirsty nature at times.

The prophecy is thought to mean that the Hybrid is half Time Lord and half Dalek.
Guessing you guys missed the bit in this one where it was specifically said that the hybrid was NOT half-Dalek at all. That was just Davros' interpretation of the "two great warrior races" bit, and of course it would be, given that he created the Daleks and views them as the ultimate warriors with the Time Lords as their only match.
 
The prophecy is thought to mean that the Hybrid is half Time Lord and half Dalek.
Guessing you guys missed the bit in this one where it was specifically said that the hybrid was NOT half-Dalek at all. That was just Davros' interpretation of the "two great warrior races" bit, and of course it would be, given that he created the Daleks and views them as the ultimate warriors with the Time Lords as their only match.

But the Time Lords seem to believe that the hybrid is half-dalek too. Why else would the Doctor speak to the Time Lords via the confession dial and say that they are wrong about that? Plus, the Doctor says that the Daleks would never allow anything to be half-Dalek seeing as they are so fanatic about racial "purity". Davros created the Daleks so surely he would know that too. Moreover, he is the one that gave them that fanaticism! So, it is a bit silly for Davros to think that the Hybrid is half-Dalek. Why is why I interpret the half-dalek interpretation as being figurative not literal.
 
We have already seen a half-Dalek in New York and not only did it not turn out well but he was boring and stupid looking (IMO)
 
We have already seen a half-Dalek in New York and not only did it not turn out well but he was boring and stupid looking (IMO)

He fell though a crack in the universe and was wiped from history.

Or Moffat forgot.

Just like he forgot that the Doctor has never heard of the Daleks before the first story they appeared in.

I don't actually have a problem with the general idea that the Doctor has always lied about his reason for leaving, ROTD partially confirmed that back in 1988, but to then accept that he deliberately took Susan into the Dalek city on Skaro knowing full well what they were...
 
He didn't forget; the Daleks destroyed those hybrids in "Evolution" for not being Dalek enough. This is exactly what the Doctor means when he says they "would never allow that" here! And the prophecy didn't say anything about Dalek/Time Lord...again, only two great warrior races. Do pay attention.
 
But the Time Lords seem to believe that the hybrid is half-dalek too. Why else would the Doctor speak to the Time Lords via the confession dial and say that they are wrong about that? Plus, the Doctor says that the Daleks would never allow anything to be half-Dalek seeing as they are so fanatic about racial "purity". Davros created the Daleks so surely he would know that too. Moreover, he is the one that gave them that fanaticism! So, it is a bit silly for Davros to think that the Hybrid is half-Dalek. Why is why I interpret the half-dalek interpretation as being figurative not literal.
The Doctor does NOT know he's in the confession dial and that the Time Lords are behind it (if in fact they are) at the point he says that. He's still trying to work out the puzzle. (EDITED TO ADD: Actually he does. I forgot he says that at the end when he's already broken through to Gallifrey; I had thought it was when he was in the turret looking at the stars. Guess I need to pay attention! Anyway, I think we'll just have to wait until Saturday to find out what all this business is really about. How can it be the Time Lords he thinks he's talking to, when he just sent the boy to go tell them he's arrived? He must think he's talking to someone else, maybe Missy?)

Davros had abandoned his ideas of purity as far back as Revelation Of The Daleks, when he was making them out of human corpses!

The hybrid is quite likely going to turn out to be Ashildr, who calls herself "Me"; not that I wouldn't LOVE for the Doctor-is-half-human thing from the TV movie to be revisited!
 
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^ I actually wonder if it's Missy who's behind the confession dial trap? The Doctor thought they designed it based on some telepathy ability, but perhaps it was just Missy's understanding of the Doctor, including the past where the dead lady lay under the veil? Maybe Missy wanted the information for herself?
 
The hybrid is quite likely going to turn out to be Ashildr, who calls herself "Me"; not that I wouldn't LOVE for the Doctor-is-half-human thing from the TV movie to be revisited!

Because the Doctor is know for referring to Ashildr that way.

Hell the freaking trailer for next week seems to be jumping up and down saying its the Doctor.
 
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