I'm guessing its probably the Doctor going full blown revenge rampage on the Timelords.
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I'm guessing its probably the Doctor going full blown revenge rampage on the Timelords.
The prophecy is thought to mean that the Hybrid is half Time Lord and half Dalek. In the episode "Into the Dalek", the Dalek says that the Doctor would make a good Dalek. So, I think the Doctor being the Hybrid is meant to be taken in a symbolic sense, not a literal sense. As the Doctor explains at the end of this episode, the Daleks would never tolerate a an actual half Dalek being. The Doctor is half Time Lord and half Dalek in a symbolic sense: he is capable of the rage and hate of the Daleks while also having the wisdom of the Time Lords. So, he is a a hybrid because he has the strengths of both. Which is why he is a such a threat to Gallifrey. Being a Time Lord, he has the ability to conquer them and having the rage of the Daleks, he has the will to do it.
I thought the episode was amazing. It was such a philosophical and metaphysical episode. Capaldi really pulls it off. The scenes in his mind-tardis were wonderful. The music was truly magnificient! WOW! There was such emotion in each note.
I thought the episode was amazing. It was such a philosophical and metaphysical episode. Capaldi really pulls it off. The scenes in his mind-tardis were wonderful. The music was truly magnificient! WOW! There was such emotion in each note.
That's what I was thinking, too.
Moffat may have brought the Time Lords back so the twelfth Doctor can do something the Doctor trio in "Day of the Doctor" never did -- genocide the effing bastards.
That's what I was thinking, too.
Moffat may have brought the Time Lords back so the twelfth Doctor can do something the Doctor trio in "Day of the Doctor" never did -- genocide the effing bastards.
If that happens, I can definitely see the fans getting upset. The Doctor has been showed as not liking how the Time Lords do things, but never hating them to the point of wanting to wipe them out of rage. Even in DOTD, the War Doctor was going to use the Moment, not because he hated the Time Lords, but out of desperation. He truly did not see any way to end the horrific Time War which was burning the entire universe.
I did have a crazy thought though: what if the finale shows the creation of the Valeyard? Think about it. The Doctor's secret is apparently that he is the prophecied Hybrid, half-Dalek in the symbolic sense, because he carries in him the same rage and hate as the Daleks. In the episode, Into the Dalek, the Doctor is even told that he would make a good Dalek. We are told the real reason why the Doctor ran away from Gallifrey is because he was afraid of himself, that he would destroy Gallifrey. But the Doctor does not want to give in to that hate. He does not want to be the Hybrid that destroys his own people. So how to escape his destiny? So what if the Doctor, in order, to escape his fate, goes into some kind of special regeneration with the help of the Time Lords and deliberately focuses all his evil into the regenerated being. Thus, he exorcises all that evil out of himself and into the Valeyard. We do see a regeneration in the trailer for next week's finale, so it is possible. I would not put it past Moffat to do this as a clever way of tying classic who and nuwho together.
Why do you all think The Doctor is the hybrid?
Because he says he is.
Why isn't the ep available on Amazon Prime yet?
He's no longer inside the Confession Dial. He's under no pressure to tell the truth to anyone. The Doctor is now at leisure to lie his arse off. Which I'm betting, is exactly what he's doing.
Himself? Us? The kid?
This episode, "Sleep No More," "Face the Raven" and "The Woman Who Lived" (because of Hob). And I agree about having the vibe without feeling like anything is being ripped off.
Yes! I meant to mention this but I was reminded of The Prestige when The Doctor began to duplicate himself. Who is the original?
Well being an arsehole, he sent the kid running at least twenty miles without any water so likely not him.
Urgh I hated the music, it was the most annoying thing. I like the synthesizer part where he was looking at Clara's painting, really reminded me of the classic series and I like synths anyway. But other than that the music was really annoying.
Not quite - he says it "is Me", which could mean himself or Lady Me (Ashildr, outright referred to as a hybrid of two warrior races - Vikings and Mire - in her first episode)
I really enjoyed ow this gave us a glimpse at the way the Doctor sorts out problems. His internal dialogue with Clara was wonderful, and it echoes back to their first couple of episodes together.
"That's the wrong question. What is the right question?"
I'm intrigued to see where the next episode goes. And "The Hybrid is me/Me." I never thought he could be referring to Ashldr, but it's certainly possible. Hell, for all we know that's the whole reason Moffat gave her that name in the first place...because he wanted to throw us off with that line.
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On another note, this just made me think something about the episode "Listen" from last season. The mysterious notes that get left on the chalkboard. It seems very likely now that all of that happened in his head.
"That's the wrong question. What is the right question?"
I'm intrigued to see where the next episode goes. And "The Hybrid is me/Me." I never thought he could be referring to Ashldr, but it's certainly possible. Hell, for all we know that's the whole reason Moffat gave her that name in the first place...because he wanted to throw us off with that line.
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On another note, this just made me think something about the episode "Listen" from last season. The mysterious notes that get left on the chalkboard. It seems very likely now that all of that happened in his head.
Wow! Wow! Wow! I must admit I was getting slightly bored with this season. But Oh God! did this episode restore my faith in Doctor Who. I was actually crying during those last few minutes, Capaldi is finally THE DOCTOR.
Although well acted, the winner there was the editing. It built to a climax that was epic in scope. I don't know how next weeks episode can beat it.
Although well acted, the winner there was the editing. It built to a climax that was epic in scope. I don't know how next weeks episode can beat it.
No, he is talking to whomever put him in the confession dial, presumably the Time Lords. He looks at the confession dial and says "I know you can still hear me. Just between us, you got the prophecy wrong ..." So
It's Moffat. His ideal of "subtle foreshadowing" is a sledgehammer to the groin with the words "Plot point!" on the handle.
Two great warrior races = Hybrid: Mir and Vikings
Destined to bring down Gallifrey: Me's vow to protect people from the Doctor
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