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Glory to the Moon!Equestria - Forever Night!
With 24hrs---and little sleep--a few thoughts for a better ending:
1) "Dear Sunset Shimmer..." Kick Starlight in the EQG world and let her learn how to be friends with Sunset Shimmer. After the very least we know Canterlot High forgives a lot of bullshit. "Oh you tried to make everyone equal? Bitch that's freshman year shit around here"
2) Luna. The Princess Of The Night and Dreams would be great at helping Starlight deal with her emotional stuff.
3) Strip her of her magic. Kick her down to being a Earth-Pony and let her learn humility.
4) Wanders out in the wastelands. Twilight makes the offer, Starlight tells her she needs time to come to terms with what she did and who she is as a pers..uh...pony. Twilight gives her some magical communicator for emergencies and a few books on friendship and the last shot is Twilight watching as Starlight starts on her walkabout.
5) "We're all friends...NOT!" Starlight goes back home, closes the door, and then the big-bad for Season 6 appears in the shadows and Starlight says it's all going as they planned.
Urge to fanfic rising...down beast, down!!!
1) "Dear Sunset Shimmer..." Kick Starlight in the EQG world and let her learn how to be friends with Sunset Shimmer. After the very least we know Canterlot High forgives a lot of bullshit. "Oh you tried to make everyone equal? Bitch that's freshman year shit around here"
2) Luna. The Princess Of The Night and Dreams would be great at helping Starlight deal with her emotional stuff.
3) Strip her of her magic. Kick her down to being a Earth-Pony and let her learn humility.
4) Wanders out in the wastelands. Twilight makes the offer, Starlight tells her she needs time to come to terms with what she did and who she is as a pers..uh...pony. Twilight gives her some magical communicator for emergencies and a few books on friendship and the last shot is Twilight watching as Starlight starts on her walkabout.
5) "We're all friends...NOT!" Starlight goes back home, closes the door, and then the big-bad for Season 6 appears in the shadows and Starlight says it's all going as they planned.
Urge to fanfic rising...down beast, down!!!
Forgive, but never forget, I'm not sure having them emotionally taunt Starlight for several months the way they did with Sunset would help, you know since her going nuclear over the tiniest things friends do is what started all this.
Ugh, still can't believe how pathetic her "villain story" is, it might as well have been "I stubbed my hoof one day, you all must die!"
I'm all for the horn cutting off thing you mentioned though.
We should have a poll about our favourite dystopian Equestrias. 
I admit I chuckled when we saw the Discord one. But I remember that I thought it was pretty frightening when he had control over Ponyville (even though there were some amusing bits) back in the day.
From my experience I'd say it does, at least in practice (nobody can look inside someone else's heart). Starlight's town was basically "Animal Farm" reloaded, only less malevolent and without deaths (because this is a show for children). So, a metaphor for socialism or totalitarian states in general. I was born in a state like that. And after that state disappeared, most of the people who had kept it running were absorbed into a democratic society and now live normal lives.
I know a guy who it turned out was very convinced of what he was doing. He was an informant for the secret police. If this state still existed we would have been enemies (well, on different sides, anyway) but because it doesn't and he adapted to the society around him, we aren't. We actually got along pretty well.
So, I don't think Starlight's turn-around isn't far-fetched, at all. Granted, it would have been better if they had expanded on this (also because there are some interesting storytelling opportunities - but maybe we'll get to see some of it eventually) but we've seen rushed endings before. The next finale should be 90 minutes, really.
I admit I chuckled when we saw the Discord one. But I remember that I thought it was pretty frightening when he had control over Ponyville (even though there were some amusing bits) back in the day.From my experience I'd say it does, at least in practice (nobody can look inside someone else's heart). Starlight's town was basically "Animal Farm" reloaded, only less malevolent and without deaths (because this is a show for children). So, a metaphor for socialism or totalitarian states in general. I was born in a state like that. And after that state disappeared, most of the people who had kept it running were absorbed into a democratic society and now live normal lives.
I know a guy who it turned out was very convinced of what he was doing. He was an informant for the secret police. If this state still existed we would have been enemies (well, on different sides, anyway) but because it doesn't and he adapted to the society around him, we aren't. We actually got along pretty well.
So, I don't think Starlight's turn-around isn't far-fetched, at all. Granted, it would have been better if they had expanded on this (also because there are some interesting storytelling opportunities - but maybe we'll get to see some of it eventually) but we've seen rushed endings before. The next finale should be 90 minutes, really.
One of the best Star Wars comic ever, and I it mind when I typed that, was Tales Of The Jedi: Redemption
Cliff Notes: A Jedi goes to the dark side, starts a war, and as punishment he's stripped of the force, blocked from accessing it again, and exiled. He then has to figure out how to be a good man when the only thing he had to define himself, all his friends, his family, all of it was stripped from him.
Count Zero, that is a good perspective. And Starlight is surrounded now by friends. Could she backslide and become the MLP universe's version of Vladimir Putin? Possibly, but one knows in the Equestria universe, it's not so likely.We should have a poll about our favourite dystopian Equestrias.
From my experience I'd say it does, at least in practice (nobody can look inside someone else's heart). Starlight's town was basically "Animal Farm" reloaded, only less malevolent and without deaths (because this is a show for children). So, a metaphor for socialism or totalitarian states in general. I was born in a state like that. And after that state disappeared, most of the people who had kept it running were absorbed into a democratic society and now live normal lives.
I know a guy who it turned out was very convinced of what he was doing. He was an informant for the secret police. If this state still existed we would have been enemies (well, on different sides, anyway) but because it doesn't and he adapted to the society around him, we aren't. We actually got along pretty well.
So, I don't think Starlight's turn-around isn't far-fetched, at all. Granted, it would have been better if they had expanded on this (also because there are some interesting storytelling opportunities - but maybe we'll get to see some of it eventually) but we've seen rushed endings before. The next finale should be 90 minutes, really.
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We should have a poll about our favourite dystopian Equestrias.
From my experience I'd say it does, at least in practice (nobody can look inside someone else's heart). Starlight's town was basically "Animal Farm" reloaded, only less malevolent and without deaths (because this is a show for children). So, a metaphor for socialism or totalitarian states in general. I was born in a state like that. And after that state disappeared, most of the people who had kept it running were absorbed into a democratic society and now live normal lives.
I know a guy who it turned out was very convinced of what he was doing. He was an informant for the secret police. If this state still existed we would have been enemies (well, on different sides, anyway) but because it doesn't and he adapted to the society around him, we aren't. We actually got along pretty well.
So, I don't think Starlight's turn-around isn't far-fetched, at all. Granted, it would have been better if they had expanded on this (also because there are some interesting storytelling opportunities - but maybe we'll get to see some of it eventually) but we've seen rushed endings before. The next finale should be 90 minutes, really.
I think it rubs me the wrong way because we didn't really get to know Starlight before she was brought into the fold. We got to know the angry, malevolent side of her, but if she had truly changed, we only got snippets of that in a final minute montage, and that's just not enough, for me at least.
I feel that given enough time I could like her, but the heel-turn was so fast that if you blinked you missed it. With the other reformed villains, we got time to adjust, and I was in favor of all of those reformations (I'm big on villains getting redeemed).
Again, I loved the rest of the episode, it was fantastic, but the resolution just came up short, I think.
I'm almost at the end of the episode now. It still strikes me how powerful Starlight is. A lot of raw talent and possible study of what in Equestria might be considered dark or forbidden magic makes her a formidable foe. Twilight's solution to the problem was tactically brilliant. Sure it's not as cool as her battle with Tirek, but it was the only way.
ETA: Twilight's reserves were being drained. From what we know, her reserves aren't nearly as strong as Celestia's yet. She's still growing into her power. I also wonder just how much her friends contribute to her strength.
ETA: Twilight's reserves were being drained. From what we know, her reserves aren't nearly as strong as Celestia's yet. She's still growing into her power. I also wonder just how much her friends contribute to her strength.
Would have worked better if Starlight's motivation was either:
A) she was another super talented unicorn that Twilight beat out for a chance to be Celestia's apprentice. Running off and putting her time and energy into teaching herself forbidden magic. And Twilight's pinpointing the Rainboom as a "fixed point in time" (to cross over my 'verses) gives her the ideal to go back and change history.
B) The Rainboom's shockwave damaged or destroyed Starlight home/village. Forcing people to leave their home and scatter throughout Equestria splitting up friends and families. Starlight ends up as a orphan or her family vagabonds that lose everything
C) Starlight is the only pony in her Village to get a cutie-mark; some sort of religious thing, whatever, where no one has cutie-marks a village of blank-flanks who shun "the marked"
A) she was another super talented unicorn that Twilight beat out for a chance to be Celestia's apprentice. Running off and putting her time and energy into teaching herself forbidden magic. And Twilight's pinpointing the Rainboom as a "fixed point in time" (to cross over my 'verses) gives her the ideal to go back and change history.
B) The Rainboom's shockwave damaged or destroyed Starlight home/village. Forcing people to leave their home and scatter throughout Equestria splitting up friends and families. Starlight ends up as a orphan or her family vagabonds that lose everything
C) Starlight is the only pony in her Village to get a cutie-mark; some sort of religious thing, whatever, where no one has cutie-marks a village of blank-flanks who shun "the marked"
Yup, being a completely out of the blue Mary Sue (heh) bent on mass murder and destruction of the time space continuum because of a game of Jenga is spectacularly poor.
It should have been at least a three parter where they explored her actions in more depth, rather than a montage that means the Equestria Girls were sitting having a picnic for two weeks everynight waiting for Twilight to stop braiding Starlight's mane and get her ass through the portal.
You know what, unless EQG 4 has Sunset and SciTwi graduating, moving to Everton, getting married and "forgetting" to stay in touch with the others, don't call me.
It should have been at least a three parter where they explored her actions in more depth, rather than a montage that means the Equestria Girls were sitting having a picnic for two weeks everynight waiting for Twilight to stop braiding Starlight's mane and get her ass through the portal.
You know what, unless EQG 4 has Sunset and SciTwi graduating, moving to Everton, getting married and "forgetting" to stay in touch with the others, don't call me.
EQ4: Sci-Twi and Sunset go to Equestria and live; Twilight fed up with the Princess life returns to Canterlot High and runs off with Flash SentryYup, being a completely out of the blue Mary Sue (heh) bent on mass murder and destruction of the time space continuum because of a game of Jenga is spectacularly poor.
It should have been at least a three parter where they explored her actions in more depth, rather than a montage that means the Equestria Girls were sitting having a picnic for two weeks everynight waiting for Twilight to stop braiding Starlight's mane and get her ass through the portal.
You know what, unless EQG 4 has Sunset and SciTwi graduating, moving to Everton, getting married and "forgetting" to stay in touch with the others, don't call me.
EQ4: Sci-Twi and Sunset go to Equestria and live; Twilight fed up with the Princess life returns to Canterlot High and runs off with Flash SentryYup, being a completely out of the blue Mary Sue (heh) bent on mass murder and destruction of the time space continuum because of a game of Jenga is spectacularly poor.
It should have been at least a three parter where they explored her actions in more depth, rather than a montage that means the Equestria Girls were sitting having a picnic for two weeks everynight waiting for Twilight to stop braiding Starlight's mane and get her ass through the portal.
You know what, unless EQG 4 has Sunset and SciTwi graduating, moving to Everton, getting married and "forgetting" to stay in touch with the others, don't call me.
Oh hell no, Moondancer has been sitting there waiting to be swept off her hooves from three years now, let them elope or something.
Make Derpy an Alicorn and let nature take it's course.
Let Flash have Scribble-Dee if he likes nerds so much.
I really don't get the Flash hate.
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This! Moondancer needs lovin' too.
From what I can tell it's less hate and more annoyance. He gets introduced as some kind of quasi-love interest for Twilight that goes nowhere, and then he shows up in Equestria, so that likely irked some people. Plus, it's just fun to pick on him.
That said, I have no issues with him, for I know he shall never be with Twilight. His hopes are in vain. In vain!
Last scene in Equestria girls: Flash jumps through the portal, he'll be with Twilight forever!! After the credits: We find him on the floor of Nightmare Moon's castle, MoonDancer, dark apprentice of Nightmare Moon, comes out of the shadows and hits him with a dark-magic spell, freezing him forever in a crystalline prison.
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I find this acceptable.
In the Director's Cut, they reveal that in that reality the Twilight is Nightmare Moon's lover and serves her Master as the Queen's Hand; magical assassin and skilled spy.
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I'm not going to lie, I wrote a story outline to this effect a few years ago.