Terrorist Attacks in Paris

[Gryffindorian]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/11/13/world/paris-shooting/index.html

My thoughts and prayers are with the victims' families. This makes me very sad and angry.

 

[Mojochi]

Sonofabitch

It's hard not to notice that one of my favorite places to chat is among other Trek fans, because at heart, we all dream of a future like the one presented on that show, & at times like these, it just doesn't seem like it will ever be possible for us in reality

 

[sttngfan1701d]

It is heartbreaking, it enrages me, and it scares me at the same time to think of the coordination and scale this took to pull off, and they were actually able to do it.

And it was probably one of their aims (if not the primary aim) to inflame the refugee crisis further. Plant discord. Plant fear. Make people reactionary and strike out against the people that came into Europe to escape this sort of stuff in the first place.

I wish we lived in a world where ideology didn't drive people to do heinous and stupid shit.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Did the police storm the theatre where the hostages were?

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This is awful.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

This is awful.

I'd rate this worse then awful.

The West seems to not want to make hard decisions

 

[Dar70]

Very very sad. Heart goes out to the victims and their families.

Sonofabitch

It's hard not to notice that one of my favorite places to chat is among other Trek fans, because at heart, we all dream of a future like the one presented on that show, & at times like these, it just doesn't seem like it will ever be possible for us in reality

Sadly for that to happen humanity will have to end.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

This is awful.

I'd rate this worse then awful.

The West seems to not want to make hard decisions

Well, that doesn't have a single, solitary thing to do with my post. But since you chose to use my post as a springboard for, well, something, I'll ask if you would care to elaborate on just what hard decisions you meant?

 

[HIjol]

I think someone just opened a Thread for Grievances. Maybe we could get back to the horrific events this Thread was opened to address?

Does anyone know how he borders can be closed but the planes and surface transportation systems still remain functional? Only operating within the country?

 

[sttngfan1701d]

The trouble with fighting terror is that any "hard decision" you make is going to be used as psychology to recruit more of these cockroaches. Close the borders indefinitely? Check. Herd all Muslims or "possibly radical individuals" into camps or centralized ghettos? Check. Use tactical bombs (or as some say, nukes) against any and all known targets that ferment this sort of terrorist ideology? If just ONE civilian is killed in the process, that's another tool they can use to play on the psychology of those they recruit.

Short of forming an NKVD-type secret police and performing surveillance on all people of a certain background and severely restricting people's basic freedoms (which over time ferments more discord), I don't see what we can do to TOTALLY ensure this stuff doesn't happen. And that being said, the current surveillance techniques of undercover agents posing as recruiters and moles obviously isn't working to 100% prevent this stuff either.

What should the West do? What will work to stop any and all terror attacks?

 

[EmoBorg]

Sonofabitch

It's hard not to notice that one of my favorite places to chat is among other Trek fans, because at heart, we all dream of a future like the one presented on that show, & at times like these, it just doesn't seem like it will ever be possible for us in reality

Reality's a bitch. Star Trek paints an ideal world but humans are still primitive, religious apes.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

This is awful.

I'd rate this worse then awful.

The West seems to not want to make hard decisions

Well, that doesn't have a single, solitary thing to do with my post. But since you chose to use my post as a springboard for, well, something, I'll ask if you would care to elaborate on just what hard decisions you meant?

Sorry I didn't mean to reply that way to your post in particular just to me it seems in the west we are too busy trying to placate everyone.

Not everyone wants to share the western way of life. They just don't want to assimilate into democratic cultures and feel it's an affront to them.

I actually don't know what needs to change in western politics, or what actual decisions we should be making. I was being emotional.. I just feel we have to change in how we deal with certain people groups..

 

[Rincewiend]

 

[RJDiogenes]

Yet another horrible terrorist attack. My sympathy and condolences to the people of France.

We do need to battle and destroy these people, but the only way to beat terrorism in the long term is to destroy the conditions that create it. Cultivate what's good in the Middle East and in the world. There are plenty of good, civilized people everywhere, just as there are batshit crazy religious nuts everywhere, from the United States to Syria. It's not enough to squash the bad, we have to empower the good.

Liberté, égalité, fraternité.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

What a terrible, horrific tragedy. That people willfully do this to others is, simply, sickening. My thoughts and well-wishes are with the good people of Paris and France.

 

[Admiral Bear]

What should the West do? What will work to stop any and all terror attacks?

There's only one premise that you can start from. That the cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam ie the Koran and the ideas/instructions held within it.

Now, since you can't eradicate the ideas of Islam, destroying every semblence of Islam from the Earth probably isn't going to cut it, so that leads to one inescapable conclusion.

You have to deal with muslims, and you have to do it wholesale. Unpalatable, I realise. But no one will judge western civilisation except our children, our children's children, and their children. If the West doesn't deal with muslims, then our children will not be here to judge us for our inaction. If they are here, then they will look back at history and see that we did what needed to be done.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

What should the West do? What will work to stop any and all terror attacks?

There's only one premise that you can start from. That the cause of Islamic terrorism is Islam ie the Koran and the ideas/instructions held within it.

Now, since you can't eradicate the ideas of Islam, destroying every semblence of Islam from the Earth probably isn't going to cut it, so that leads to one inescapable conclusion.

You have to deal with muslims, and you have to do it wholesale. Unpalatable, I realise. But no one will judge western civilisation except our children, our children's children, and their children. If the West doesn't deal with muslims, then our children will not be here to judge us for our inaction. If they are here, then they will look back at history and see that we did what needed to be done.

No. The problem with the terrorists claiming responsibility for Paris is no more Islam than the problem with the brutality of the Crusades was Christianity.

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

 

[Admiral Bear]

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

The problem is extremism - which, sadly, is the general nature of the quoted post.

That all depends on believing that so called moderate muslims actually exist.

I don't believe they exist. It's a political left wing lie designed to force Islam on to western civilisation by stealth. I don't see these moderate muslims doing anything to stop their own sort from killing westerners.

There are muslims who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism by doing nothing, and there are muslims who are terrorists. There are no other muslims.

We shouldn't be tolerating either.

As a response to abject extremism and terrorism, such an extremist post is ... irrational.

Put simply, saying that "there are no other muslims" than those "who are nuts and who tacitly condone terrorism" or "who are terrorists" is an extremist thing to say. This kind of rhetoric is part of the problem. It certainly won't result in any meaningful, long-term solutions.

 

[cultcross]

You have to deal with muslims, and you have to do it wholesale. Unpalatable, I realise. But no one will judge western civilisation except our children, our children's children, and their children. If the West doesn't deal with muslims, then our children will not be here to judge us for our inaction. If they are here, then they will look back at history and see that we did what needed to be done.

Yes. A reasonable response to the killings of 200 people carried out by, lets be generous, 20 attackers and planners is totally the genocide of 1.5 billion Muslims.