Who is angry with nu trek?
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I've said it before, I'll say it again. I liked ST09. I thought STID was too derivative. (And intentionally so.) But there's this thing that economists call "Opportunity cost". I think, somewhat wistfully, about the Star Trek movies that didn't get made because these two were. The first one, that I could have loved, the second that I could have liked a whole lot.
That's it.
(No problems with the NuTrek cast BTW, I think they're all pretty solid except for Chekov.)
That's it.
(No problems with the NuTrek cast BTW, I think they're all pretty solid except for Chekov.)
LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off. 
Well done, all.
Well done, all.
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I laughed my ass off once. It was awful!LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
Well done, all.
Every time J. tried to sit down, he fell over.I laughed my ass off once. It was awful!LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
Well done, all.
And yet he still manages to be cheeky. I don't know how he does it.
Every time J. tried to sit down, he fell over.I laughed my ass off once. It was awful!LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
Well done, all.
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I'm not angry at it. I do find it deeply disappointing, unoriginal and uninspired. If it had been a full proper reboot I would've been far happier, but trying to cling to the Prime Universe just makes it so limp, IMHO.
Some of the casting is also rather questionable, as is the "character development". Pine does an ok job with Kirk, he is far easier on the eye than Shatner ever was. Quinto's Spock has no real depth other than barely-restrained anger. Urban's McCoy is woefully underused, as he's one of the closest to the original character. Pegg just doesn't feel right as Scotty (and I love Simon Pegg). Cho is an ok Sulu. Yelchin makes no impact on me as Chekov. Saldana took my favourite character of TOS and turned her into a stuck up bitch, whilst all the PTB did to add to her character was make her a girlfriend--so all she gets to do is whine about/to her boyfriend and his lack of feeling (you know, the man raised on a planet where they are trained from childhood to control and suppress their emotions to everyone, even their closest family).
Then there is the ridiculously enormous and ugly Enterprise redesign, with the hideous sets.
And my last word on the matter (which will of course set of loads of people: lens-flares.
Some of the casting is also rather questionable, as is the "character development". Pine does an ok job with Kirk, he is far easier on the eye than Shatner ever was. Quinto's Spock has no real depth other than barely-restrained anger. Urban's McCoy is woefully underused, as he's one of the closest to the original character. Pegg just doesn't feel right as Scotty (and I love Simon Pegg). Cho is an ok Sulu. Yelchin makes no impact on me as Chekov. Saldana took my favourite character of TOS and turned her into a stuck up bitch, whilst all the PTB did to add to her character was make her a girlfriend--so all she gets to do is whine about/to her boyfriend and his lack of feeling (you know, the man raised on a planet where they are trained from childhood to control and suppress their emotions to everyone, even their closest family).
Then there is the ridiculously enormous and ugly Enterprise redesign, with the hideous sets.
And my last word on the matter (which will of course set of loads of people: lens-flares.
LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
Well done, all.
Meh. I haven't read through all of this, but the OP wasn't entirely off. Much of nuTrek is pretty vapid* and derivative**. These are exactly what previously brought Trek to an end with NEM/ENT.
*1) Kirk and Spock are ok with murdering Nero and his crew because it made for a laugh and yahoo at the end of a movie; 2) Spock and Uhura have a bitchy lovers' quarrel while their shuttle's being shot at on Qo'nos but whatever, we know they're not going to die; 3) The Enterprise is welded together like a WWII battleship 'cause who cares it's just a movie.
**Everything in ID
The movies have going for them a big-budget splendor and polish and a break-neck speed, and god bless them for it when it works, but how do these translate to the small screen?
It's too early to bash or praise anything, but in our natural excitement post-announcement, let's be realistic about what we're dealing with.
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I am angry with old trek. It went and got itself canceled. Sometimes when I'm alone I shout at my old trek DVDs. I call the weak and question their sexuality. They never answer back. Because old trek DVDs are cowards. That's why.
You should get the Blu-Rays, they respond with nurturing statements.
I do get angry at Trek every now and then, but the makeup sex afterwards more than compensates for it.
My mother thinks I should go out and get some nice respectable blu-rays, but the remastered episodes which stream free on one those services I already pay for are just too easy. They buffer though. I should see a doctor about that.
Engage, number one.
I'm angry with old Trek because it went and got bad. I can't say I miss it much at all. Occasionally I'll look at some random episodes or parts of movies, but meh, it stopped being great long before it got itself cancelled. The new stuff's okay, but we live in a time of scifi/entertainment plenty, and what nuTrek offers isn't that different from the other stuff.
Here's a terrible thought. What if Trek '17 is another retro rehash of older Trek, TOS or TNG? Kurtzman is known for, among others, Trek, Transformers, Spiderman, Hawaii Five-O, Sleepy Hollow, The Mummy, Van Helsing, Hercules, Tales from the Darkside... Not exactly original storytelling.
I don't know that we live at a time in which we even want originality, togetherness, and consciousness-broadening sci-fi. Popular today are retellings of old myths, a fear of the masses vis-a-vis zombies, and trying to catch up to the lifestyles and ideas of others. ...How will Trek '17 fit into this cultural zeitgeist, I wonder.
Well, many of us simply like to be entertained, and are not overly concerned with pretentious headiness that is so hypocritical it just bears laughing at.LOL! Ya know, I love how this thread completely went 180 from the OP's intent. I mean, seriously, I am rolling on the floor laughing my ass off.
Well done, all.
Meh. I haven't read through all of this, but the OP wasn't entirely off. Much of nuTrek is pretty vapid* and derivative**. These are exactly what previously brought Trek to an end with NEM/ENT.
Oh....I see what you did there. See bolded part...Arpy said:
And then....
Forgive me.... gotta laugh.Arpy said:
Well, now here is where you and I can potentially reach for a moment.Arpy said:
On a technical standpoint, the TNG films (well, Generations, First Contact, and Insurection) translate well to the small screen because they are small screen stories. They are overblown television episodes. Nemesis, at least, for all its flaws (and there are many) looked and felt like a big screen movie. Big screen movies translate decently to the small screen, especially now that the widescreen format has become the norm. But when the first three TNG flicks came to the small screen, they looked exactly like tv episodes in the full frame format, and were better suited there because that's how the action fills the screen. (And, it's how the storytelling was presented. Again, overblown episodes.)
On a general standpoint, ST09 and STID translated just as well to the small screen as they were when presented on the big screen.
Now, talking about a new tv series, here's my point: The small screen tv series can be used to give everyone the greater story arcs, the more touchy feely aspects of Trek (commentary on the human condition, interpersonal character development, social commentary, allegories, etc.) Then the big screen movies can be used for what they were meant for.... two hours (give or take some minutes) of fun and excitement.
When I go to see Star Trek on the big screen movie, I want to be excited...not bored to tears. When I wanna contemplate life, the universe, and everything else, I'll watch the Star Trek meant for the small screen. With the coming of the new series and Star Trek Beyond (not to mention the hundreds of hours of older Trek shows and movies on DVD/Blu-Ray/streaming media), I've got the best of both worlds available. I couldn't be happier when it comes to Trek.
On this, you and I are agreed.Arpy said:
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What are you talking about? Put the p-word away. And we don't just want to be entertained or we'd just watch porn all day. And, no, I will not discuss last Thursday, so don't ask.
The question being repeated by many fans is over whether the new movie universe/team can do "commentary on the human condition, interpersonal character development, social commentary, allegories, etc."
As you noted with GEN-NEM, a team/universe that does one thing well, may find doing another difficult. That is not to say it's impossible, or that fans want them to fail, but history speaks for itself: sometimes lackluster products are what get released.
Discussing that is not an attack on you or Trek; it's discussion.
That's one way of looking at it, but it suggests roles for big/small screen that are limiting.
I don't think the problem with Trek movies is that they weren't fast-paced and fun enough. (Or just that it was their scale, and I had fun in a previous hread recently suggesting some pretty epic-scaled movies for similar reasons to the ones you've stated.)
Also, a lot of TV series have arcs and last 20+ episodes a season and never do anything like what Trek has done or be even better as fans are saying.
Again, people need to chill and just listen to what we're all looking for.
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