Are you apprehensive about the new series?
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If the new series leads to a novelverse reboot a la Star Wars, it will have one positive: It'll mean there's a slim chance I'll get to finish reading everything one day.
My point is, you're using an incorrect definition of the word "tie-in." It isn't limited to a specific version of the continuity. It isn't about continuity at all -- it's about copyright and intellectual property. Any work that is a licensed adaptation of a property belonging to a different entity is a tie-in -- whether it's a direct adaptation of the same story, a new story set in the same reality, or a story set in a variant reality. It's a marketing term, so it's about copyright and licenses and such, not about specific story content. Any book, comic book, computer game, action figure, Halloween costume, greeting card, baseball cap, or whatever that uses Star Trek characters, concepts, or other trademarks under license from CBS is a Star Trek tie-in.
It's a fair point, you're right that I was getting the term wrong. I mis-described the original point, which led this down a wrong direction; in terms of the side I was trying to describe but screwed up on there's still some points of disagreement on my end, but I'll concede the argument since Markonian already responded anyway.
Anything we say at this point is just speculation anyway and, honestly, they've released almost no information whatsoever other than the fact that there will be a new show and that it will air exclusively on the CBS streaming service. I hope be exclusively they mean initially, and that they'll make it to CBS at some point down the road after the initial air date.
However, I choose to have a positive attitude about it until I'm proven wrong. There are far too many areas this new show could go that would not interfere with the current novelverse. It could be based in some previously unseen era or rarely seen area of the galaxy with totally unrelated crews and ships so as not to interfere with current canon.
New series drive interest which good for the new show, the movies and the franchise in general. Rather than choose to worry about how this may ruin the current novelverse, I choose to believe that this new show will have a very positive influence on Star Trek novels in general, even if there's no direct influence on the current TNG/DS9/Voyager storylines.
However, I choose to have a positive attitude about it until I'm proven wrong. There are far too many areas this new show could go that would not interfere with the current novelverse. It could be based in some previously unseen era or rarely seen area of the galaxy with totally unrelated crews and ships so as not to interfere with current canon.
New series drive interest which good for the new show, the movies and the franchise in general. Rather than choose to worry about how this may ruin the current novelverse, I choose to believe that this new show will have a very positive influence on Star Trek novels in general, even if there's no direct influence on the current TNG/DS9/Voyager storylines.
This is pretty much where I am. I have more interest in the post-Nemesis novelverse than the Abrams films or any new series. Heck, I'm more interested in Axanar than the new CBS series. I just can't see it turning out well.
...Said fandom about every new Star Trek project immediately after it was announced.
I don't know if they're still up anywhere, but if you want some fun, check out posts from the Trek newsgroups back during the premiere of Encounter at Farpoint.
Yeah. "Classic" fandom hated TNG for its first few seasons, and a lot of the original cast wasn't fond of it either. I've seen it argued that it wasn't really embraced until "The Best of Both Worlds" came along.
Here's an item from Starlog #117 in which the TOS cast responds to the news that TNG is being made:
https://archive.org/stream/starlog_magazine-117/117#page/n8/mode/1up
Shatner and Nimoy were skeptical, Kelley didn't understand the idea, and Doohan pretty much called it a fraud. Nichols and Koenig sounded open-minded... and Takei was pitching a Captain Sulu series even then.
And while I haven't found any letters in reaction to the TNG news in the Starlog issues I've looked through, here's an editorial from #118 summarizing fan reaction to the announcement, a lot of which was apparently negative:
https://archive.org/stream/starlog_magazine-118/118#page/n4/mode/1up
A quick summation...
My first thought when I heard about this was I hoped it wouldn't interfere with the novel continuity. In the end I'm going to continue to read the books, unless the quality really drops off and I'm not concerned about that, whether they take place in the current continuity or in the universe of the new series. Related to that, Kurtzman works with Abrams/Bad Robot who stopped the publishing of the nuTrek books so I'm hoping with the power doing a series gives them they don't step in and finally get there way over all the books. But hey, that's being really negative and premature...
The second thought was when I re-read the article and realized the implications of the streaming service. Man, I already have a massive cable bill, Netflix and Hulu plus already. There's Amazon which I don't want to get but I hear Man in the High Castle is good now CBS is going to have streaming only shows? How many TV sources am I supposed to pay for? I don't see myself paying to see this. I'm sure there will be many opportunities to see the series with out paying CBS for a subscription. Read into that last sentence what you will.
As far as the series itself, I really hope it takes place in the nuTrek universe. It just seems like that fits in with what they are doing much better and gives them more leeway as far as avoiding continuity issues. Isn't that why they created the new universe in the first place? And secondly, that pretty much means there is no conflict with the novels. That last issue isn't going to be a concern for Kurtzman and company, nor should it, but it would be a positive side affect of the new series is put in the new universe.
As far as the series go, yeah, I'm looking forward to it and I hope it's good. And I'm not going to freak out if I don't like the first handful of episodes. I still find many episodes in the first season of TNG unwatchable but it obviously got way better.
The second thought was when I re-read the article and realized the implications of the streaming service. Man, I already have a massive cable bill, Netflix and Hulu plus already. There's Amazon which I don't want to get but I hear Man in the High Castle is good now CBS is going to have streaming only shows? How many TV sources am I supposed to pay for? I don't see myself paying to see this. I'm sure there will be many opportunities to see the series with out paying CBS for a subscription. Read into that last sentence what you will.
As far as the series itself, I really hope it takes place in the nuTrek universe. It just seems like that fits in with what they are doing much better and gives them more leeway as far as avoiding continuity issues. Isn't that why they created the new universe in the first place? And secondly, that pretty much means there is no conflict with the novels. That last issue isn't going to be a concern for Kurtzman and company, nor should it, but it would be a positive side affect of the new series is put in the new universe.
As far as the series go, yeah, I'm looking forward to it and I hope it's good. And I'm not going to freak out if I don't like the first handful of episodes. I still find many episodes in the first season of TNG unwatchable but it obviously got way better.
Not anymore. He and Orci have had their own separate TV production company for years now, K/O Paper products, and have done a lot of projects independently of Bad Robot, even though they were production partners on Into Darkness. So far, only Kurtzman and his Scorpion/Sleepy Hollow/Limitless producing partner Heather Kadin have been mentioned in connection with the new show -- no suggestion that Orci or Bad Robot is involved. Apparently Kurtzman now has his own independent production company, Secret Hideout.
Dunno how you count, there have been 17 new post-TOS projects Star Trek projects by my count.
And I'd put the number at about 3 bad, 3-4 mediocre to okay, and 10-11 good to great.
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There is no objective "right" in matters of taste.
17? I only count 16 . . . OH, YES, I'd forgotten to include TAS.
And even though I am not a big fan of the Abramsverse, I wouldn't count either of the two Abramsverse movies to date as "bad"; neither would I count TAS or Ent that way; and while the original theatrical cut of TMP came off a bit dull, there are much better cuts of that film. In fact, the only one of the 17 that I'd regard as even "mediocre to okay" would have to be the fifth movie, the one Shatner directed, the one of which he said, to at least one convention audience, "it's a western."
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