Relayer1:
Marvel have, to various extents ploughed the same path whereas DC realising they looked rather infantile by comparison, darkened down somewhat and got rather serious in the 1980's.
DC's move toward serious stories occurred in the late 1960s, and fully flowered by the early 1970s. This was not company wide, but it was present in many of their superhero comics.
No, they're not. For example, the origin and introduction of the Vision, Ultron and Iron Man's early adventures did not play like crap cartoons from the 1980s, or the
Transformers movies, where lifeless FX / fights and the influence of 80s "blockbuster" one-liners framed the stories. The printed period where the Vision and Ultron made their debut was grim, with humor being an occasional accent, not a part of the overall presentation.
No one needs movies to be tied to TV, as the films will stand on their own, just as the
Star Wars films did not need the Clone Wars cartoons.
Carry on hating Marvel movies Dales, but all I see is a rather empty attempt to put them down because 'I don't like them so they're rubbish' . Put your toys back in the pram.
No different than your apparent dislike of DC movies.
I said it was 'off the top of my head' and not researched. It's been a long time since I eread some of this stuff. I wll point out that even material like 70's Ra's Al Ghul stories tended to have rather campy elements which undercut the seriousness.
The fact remains that way after Peter Parker had teenage troubles, DC was 'fluff'. By the time of Killing Joke and Death in the Family ? Yeah, DC was gritty.
My 'MCU films seem pretty true to the source material' is referring to the tone, not the content. Few movie adaptations are going to slavishly follow every small (or large) detail from the comics. I love the Watchmen movie and it's hugely reverential to the comics, but can you imagine trying to make that ending work on screen ?
You said 'No one needs movies to be tied to TV, as the films will stand on their own, just as the
Star Wars films did not need the Clone Wars cartoons.' - well, the original 2003 Clone Wars cartoon was 'in canon' at first and the 2008 one still is. True, it's not essential for film and TV to tie up, but it's a missed opportunity not to. That wasn't my whole point either - even amongst the purely TV shows, Gotham and possibly Supergirl don't fit.
Do I dislike DC movies ? I love the first three Reeve Superman movies and realy like the one with Brandon Routh. I love The Dark Knight and didn't dislike Batman Begins or Green Lantern 2011. I don't like Burton or Nolan movies in general and EVERYONE thinks the Batman movies that came between theirs were bad.
Suicide Squad really doesn't appeal to me, casting Affleck in Bats vs Superman puts me off but I can't say either will be bad. I can say that on past experience, I'm not overly optimistic.
