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Heroes Reborn - Season 1 Discussion Thread (with Spoilers)

How excited am i to watch Heroes Reborn?

  • I am super excited and can't wait to see it..it should be good!

    Votes: 2 9.5%

  • I am cautiously optimistic...looks good, but i've been fooled before

    Votes: 11 52.4%

  • Don't care either way, or just extremely ambivelent

    Votes: 7 33.3%

  • The previews don't look promising, but i'll try any way

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Totally against it. I'm just here to troll

    Votes: 1 4.8%
  • Total voters
    21
  • Poll closed .
That was an amazing episode! Not only was it wonderful to see Mohinder and Angela again, and to learn what happened on 9/11, it had some major plot twists that completely blew me away; CLAIRE WAS PREGNANT?! CLARIE'S KIDS WERE TOMMY AND MALINA SENT INTO THE PAST?! I never, ever, guessed that! Well done, writers.

Claire dying is utterly ridiculous though. They don't even try to explain it. Sigh. But yes I suppose we must just assume the pregnancy canceled out her powers.
 
Mr Light said:
But yes I suppose we must just assume the pregnancy canceled out her powers.
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I'm sure I've seen that trope used before, though I can't remember where. One sort-of example is the '87 Beauty and the Beast. When Catherine and Vincent finally got physical and conceived a child, it somehow broke the empathic bond they had and eventually transferred it from mother to child (because they were writing Linda Hamilton out of the series).
 
Maybe Erica permanently stripped Claire of her powers in the same way Peter lost his powers in the original series. If her ability was permanently nullified it would explain why she didn't revive.
 
Shadow girl's power cancels out other evos powers, right? Did Claire just happen to run into a life threatening ordeal at the right/wrong moment?
 
Except Claire has been shown to regenerate after being under the influence of power suppressing evos before. I don't remember exactly how they permanently nullified Peter's abilities, some kind of serum derived from the Shakti virus or something like that, but he lost his powers and didn't get them back until they repowered him with the serum that gave Mohinder his super strength. For Claire to die, they would've had to remove her healing power completely.
 
Good episode.

Was that nurse Tommy's (Nathan's) adoptive mother? She looked similar. And he mentioned his father too there. Had he ever mentioned his father before? I forget. Has he been changed, or was that scene accurate with the first timeline?
 
Mr. Adventure said:
The Dead Mixer said:
And he can regenerate clothes...but not watches....
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...and bombs?

EDIT: I guess there were clones with bombs already there? Just seemed odd the way they went from Hiro "disarming" Harris to showing two clones with bombs.
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I believe that when Hiro caused one of them to turn to powder, the bomb went with him...which does imply that the bombs were cloned...! :vulcan:
 
PluckyNinja said:
Shadow girl's power cancels out other evos powers, right? Did Claire just happen to run into a life threatening ordeal at the right/wrong moment?
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Claire died in Childbirth before Shadow girl even got started. Hiro teleported himself into the hospital just fine after Noah had already seen her body. It was only when they tried to leave that the power interference started.


I have to say I was really disappointed in the time travel aspect of this episode. The revelation of Angela's vision and Claire's kids were big, but the time travel itself? They wandered around that place for at least half an hour without a care in the world, then halfway through the episode Hiro suddenly just starts throwing out the word 'butterflies' as a constant (and completely lame) excuse for why they can't actually do anything to change the past. I mean - he could've stopped time at any moment, yet he chose to attack the clone guy head on in order to protect Mohinder, then 30 seconds later he refuses to fight the clone guy at all because of butterflies?

And speaking of butterflies, how about the historic implications of inserting two new people 15 years into the past with the intention of them actually growing up there?
 
But the kids always grew up in the past. He didn't change the timeline doing that, he just caused it to happen the way it always did. Predestination paradox.

I guess the point of Hiro not being able to stop the attack is even if he froze time and decapitated all the Xanders, they would just regenerate into new ones with bombs on them.

But why not just grab each one of them and drive them two miles away or something?
 
Mr Light said:
I guess the point of Hiro not being able to stop the attack is even if he froze time and decapitated all the Xanders, they would just regenerate into new ones with bombs on them.
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Xanders? The clone guy is named Harris.


But why not just grab each one of them and drive them two miles away or something?
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It wasn't that Hiro couldn't stop the bombing. It was that he checked out the possible futures and concluded that he shouldn't stop it, that doing so would only make things worse in the long run. "Too many butterflies." (Probably because the sequence of events necessary to save the world from the "solar flare" depends on the consequences of the disaster.)
 
Mr Light said:
But the kids always grew up in the past. He didn't change the timeline doing that, he just caused it to happen the way it always did. Predestination paradox.

I guess the point of Hiro not being able to stop the attack is even if he froze time and decapitated all the Xanders, they would just regenerate into new ones with bombs on them.

But why not just grab each one of them and drive them two miles away or something?
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Since we have almost no information about what actually happened on the original day, just about anything they could possibly do could be explained as a predestination paradox. Which is exactly why all the completely empty talk about 'butterflies' was so unconvincing.

Did Hiro always get into a fight with Harris? Did Mohinder always get temporarily saved by him? Hiro himself has absolutely no way of knowing any of this, so it's completely bizarre that he just does whatever he wants to for the first half of the episode with no concern for the future whatsoever, and then suddenly decides to stop and check for problems before going any further (only to stop trying to do anything at all without giving the audience a single actual reason).

And Hiro and Noah still have no idea who the chosen kids are in the future, so they would still have no way of knowing that they 'were always supposed to go to the past'.

Incidentally, Harris only regenerates when you cut parts off of his body. Stabbing every clone through the heart would be more than enough to stop the threat (especially since the bombs are apparently a part of the clone somehow?).
 
Apparently the bit where Hiro kept appearing and disappearing in quick succession was him changing the events over and over and causing worse things, so he went back and didn't do any of them?

Let's just say that like the Doctor, Hiro can sense a fixed point in time he's not allowed to change :p
 
Having seen only the first two episodes i'd like to ask if the show has become good as i thought it was merely meh.

Things have sure changed for these superpowered people but then again it's just some new people with powers and some catastrophe waiting to happen. Nothing that really swept me off my feet.
 
I wonder what's going to happen to Hiro in the next episode? Masi Oka has confirmed that he only appears in 3 episodes, making next week his last. It's fairly clear that Nathan grew up with Hiro as his dad and that his memory was altered after June 13, 2014. His adoptive mother suggests that this was to prevent him trying to save his dad. Are they going to kill Hiro next week?
 
I too have to wonder about Hiro's fate since they seem to be killing off the origianal characters. And I have to wonder how Mohinder was not only blamed for the deaths in Odessa but Luke's killing of the support group. I hope they don't kill off Matt Parkman and Micah Sanders as well.
 
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