Star Wars: Episode VII: The Nerd Rage Awakens

[WarpFactorZ]

A theory on Luke circulating on the intertubes... Take it as you wish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-c...-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html

 

[BillJ]

A theory on Luke circulating on the intertubes... Take it as you wish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-c...-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html

Works for me.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

A theory on Luke circulating on the intertubes... Take it as you wish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-c...-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html

No.

 

[DWF]

Yes Luke is dead, Luke is Kylo Ren and he was on the grassy knoll too.

 

[ManOnTheWave]

The "Luke is Kylo Ren" thing was entertaining because you've got two guys with completely different body types. Imagining Adam Driver pulling his mask off to reveal 60+ Mark Hamill would be comedy gold. And I wouldn't have to look at Adam Driver's face.

 

[fireproof78]

A theory on Luke circulating on the intertubes... Take it as you wish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-c...-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html

Interesting, but I find it unlikely. First of all, it destroys all that Luke was to become (perfect Campbellian hero in Star Wars) and destroys the Jedi Order.

Secondly, it does what is so common to a lot of movies with a happy ending-insists that the ending is actually horrifying and life sucks and everyone is evil now. Sorry, I get that is how reality works, that people don't always succeed, bad people win and good people lose. I get that. But, that isn't what Star Wars was about, nor does it really fulfill Lucas' intention with the story. Influenced by merchandising, or not, Lucas still had a very child-friendly ending with regards to the trilogy.

If it happens that way, fine, but it undermines the victory in ROTJ and creates a Greek tragedy.

 

[Greylock Crescent]

Yeah, I always saw Anakin's story as the "Greek Tragedy" and Luke's as the one of redemption (Hero's Journey and all that). And while it's certainly possible that, after ROTJ, Luke's flirtations with the Dark Side could weigh upon him, and even push him toward a darker future, that doesn't change how the events of ROTJ ought to be interpreted - namely that Luke faced the same temptation as his father, and rejected it, thereby saving himself, his father, and the galaxy.

 

[WarpFactorZ]

A theory on Luke circulating on the intertubes... Take it as you wish.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/rob-c...-destroys-everything-star-wars_b_8392698.html

Interesting, but I find it unlikely.

Of course it's unlikely, because it's ridiculous (not to mention completely inconsistent with revealed casting and other known facts). Whoever wrote this 'theory' is saying "If you ignore what you actually saw in the movie and indulge my fanon, here's what 'really' happened."

Sorry, but no.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Yeah, I always saw Anakin's story as the "Greek Tragedy" and Luke's as the one of redemption (Hero's Journey and all that). And while it's certainly possible that, after ROTJ, Luke's flirtations with the Dark Side could weigh upon him, and even push him toward a darker future, that doesn't change how the events of ROTJ ought to be interpreted - namely that Luke faced the same temptation as his father, and rejected it, thereby saving himself, his father, and the galaxy.

Same here.

If you watch both Clone Wars series, you can see that Anakin was always destined to become Darth Vader. You could say that Anakin was cursed by fate (called Moira in classical Greek). The same way Classical Greek characters like Oedipus, Achilles, Jason and Hercules couldn't escape their fates after becoming heroes or kings.

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One might say, Anakin was the Angel of Death for the Jedi. The scion of the apocalypse.

 

[sttngfan1701d]

I swear, some of these theories have people blatantly rejecting the obvious just to grasp at straws. But then again, it is the internet.

I had to stop reading that article because it was so ridiculous.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, I always saw Anakin's story as the "Greek Tragedy" and Luke's as the one of redemption (Hero's Journey and all that). And while it's certainly possible that, after ROTJ, Luke's flirtations with the Dark Side could weigh upon him, and even push him toward a darker future, that doesn't change how the events of ROTJ ought to be interpreted - namely that Luke faced the same temptation as his father, and rejected it, thereby saving himself, his father, and the galaxy.

Agreed. And that's part of the beauty of Luke's journey in the OT. He proves his worthiness of being called a Jedi Knight by grappling with and defeating the temptations of the Dark Side, facing down the Emperor and helping redeem Anakin Skywalker in the final moments of his life. Whatever one thinks about ROTJ compared to the other films it has a great ending that turns Luke into not only a hero of the Rebellion for defeating the Emperor and Darth Vader but reviving the good and the basic decency within his father, which in and of itself was just as if not more noble.

Luke went from a whiny, lonely kid with grandiose dreams to a full-fledged Jedi and the redeemer of his fallen father, saving him from himself. If most or all of that were tossed out the window just to make Episode VII "edgier" and "cooler" then it would dilute or even negate a lot of the drama in the Original Trilogy and make Luke's victory at the end seem less important.

After all, why care about his journey if he's just going to run off a few decades later, live in a cave and become a bad guy? We already had a Skywalker seduced by the Dark Side and turn into a villain, and Luke doesn't need to repeat that after all he accomplished in Episodes IV, V and VI.

 

[Venardhi]

I don't think it is unreasonable to imagine he might have struggled with the Dark Side later on. However it would require something pretty intense to push Luke harder than his encounters with Vader and the Emperor. Perhaps losing his Academy and believing all of his apprentices dead . . . that might push him over the edge for a moment, and convince him he is better off keeping his distance from the rest of the galaxy.

 

[RoJoHen]

After all, why care about his journey if he's just going to run off a few decades later, live in a cave and become a bad guy?

I prefer to think he's going to run off, live in a cave, and turn into Gandalf.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

According to Lucas' original intentions, ROTJ was supposed to end with Luke giving up being a Jedi and walking off into the sunset. I could see JJ picking up on those threads, but I could also see JJ having Luke fall to the dark side.

 

[cooleddie74]

That beard would be so awesome.

Think of all the electric razor ads that could be aired to help promote the new movie. If J.J. and the rest of the crew care about the integrity of the film they'll have Luke grow a bushy ZZ Top beard that reaches his belt and hides his lightsaber.

 

[RoJoHen]

His beard will wield its own lightsaber.

 

[cooleddie74]

"Luminous beings are beards, not this stubbly matter."

 

[M.A.C.O.]

"Luminous beings are beards, not this stubbly matter."

I would say Ewan and Mark pull off beards the best. Hayden should stay clean shaven.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, it's not his best look. Hayden should not grow one.

Ewan, however, rocked that Obi-Wan beard in Episodes II and III and it would be great to see him appear as the Force Ghost of Obi-Wan just for another look at it. Mark really gives off a Sir Alec Guinness vibe when he grows a beard and it suits him so well, adding gravitas to the character of Luke Skywalker and showing that he's no longer the farmboy and Jedi-in-training who joined the Rebel Alliance and had to prove himself in battle.

 

[RoJoHen]

As someone who takes his beard very seriously, I find this post offensive.