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All Yeomen are Women?

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Enterprise[/I] in "Mirror, Mirror" had a male voice.
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Also the case with In A Mirror, Darkly. Was this just a reflexive decision to make as thoroughly consistent the differences we saw between the two iterations to include this quotidian feature of ship's functions, or could there have been a conscious subtext intended in the Mirror Universe's choice as reflecting its harshly authoritarian nature and seeming lack of regard for females in general?
 
PIKE: Yeoman, I thought I told you, when I'm on the bridge--
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Does anybody have a clear idea of how the rest of that sentence would read if he finished it? What was he telling her?
 
Christopher said:
ZapBrannigan said:
PIKE: Yeoman, I thought I told you, when I'm on the bridge--
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Does anybody have a clear idea of how the rest of that sentence would read if he finished it? What was he telling her?
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From context, presumably to stay off the bridge.
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Here's the conversation:

PIKE: I thought I told you that when I'm on the bridge...
COLT: But you wanted the reports by oh five hundred. It's oh five hundred now, sir.
PIKE: Oh, I see. Thank you.
ONE: She's replacing your former yeoman, sir.
PIKE: She does a good job, all right. It's just that I can't get used to having a woman on the bridge. No offense, Lieutenant. You're different, of course.

So Pike clearly had discussed with her prior to this what he wants her to do when he's on the bridge.

But based on Numeber One's statement and the first part of Pike's reply, it sounds like his former Yeoman was doing that too. Because apparently she was doing as good of a job as his former male yeoman.

Whatever Pike's instructions were they obviously permitted the delivery of reports at a specific time, even if he was on the bridge. Because he is grateful she brought him the report at 05:00. Perhaps he didn't want to be bothered with more general ship's business while on the bridge.

But then we have Pike's comment about a female on the bridge. Perhaps Pike's statement about not being used to having a female on the bridge is more related to having a female yeoman on the bridge. It just slipped out wrong. However that requires us to believe Pike muffed it again when he tried to recover by saying Number One was different. After all he could have said, "I mean, I'm not used to having a female yeoman on the bridge."

And why didn't he apologize to the other female officer on the bridge. Poor Lieutenant Printout.
 
uniderth said:
So Pike clearly had discussed with her prior to this what he wants her to do when he's on the bridge.

But based on Numeber One's statement and the first part of Pike's reply, it sounds like his former Yeoman was doing that too. Because apparently she was doing as good of a job as his former male yeoman.

Whatever Pike's instructions were they obviously permitted the delivery of reports at a specific time, even if he was on the bridge. Because he is grateful she brought him the report at 05:00. Perhaps he didn't want to be bothered with more general ship's business while on the bridge.
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I see it differently. He would've been fine with his male yeoman being on the bridge, but he preferred for Colt to stay off the bridge. When she explained he'd asked for the report by 0500, that was to justify why she was on the bridge despite his instruction, why it was necessary to make an exception. Presumably he'd expected to go back to his office or quarters prior to 0500 to receive her report, but he'd lost track of time and had stayed on the bridge until 0500, leaving her no choice but to violate his "stay off the bridge" instruction if she was to fulfill his "get me the report by 0500" order.

So Number One's statement is in her defense -- that because she's replacing Yeoman Cusack (as the Marvel Early Voyages comic named him), it should be acceptable for her to perform her duties the same way he did, including delivering reports on the bridge. By pointing out that Colt did nothing wrong, she's implicitly challenging Pike's double standard of giving Colt different instructions because of her gender. Which is why he replies by confessing that she does a good job, and then finds it necessary to justify to Number One why he doesn't want Colt on the bridge despite that.

By the way, Early Voyages retcons it a bit. In the issue that covers the events of "The Cage" from Colt's POV, it skips the "woman on the bridge" scene and casts Pike's hostility toward Colt more in terms of his resentment at anyone who would replace his good friend Yeoman Cusack. In this context, maybe what Pike really meant was that he couldn't get used to having a yeoman who was so different from Cusack. If he was the kind of man who saw his relationships with men and women in fundamentally different ways, who ascribed a lot of importance to the "brotherly" bond he'd had with Cusack, that could've led him to believe he couldn't have the same kind of bond with Colt.
 
The Dead Mixer said:
They also could have shot some scenes of additional jeopardy to the ship while Pike is on the planet (e.g., the Talosians throw some illusionary threats at them)...and/or perhaps some additional rescue efforts on the part of the crew...without needing to shoot another frame of Hunter.
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The simplest non-Hunter solution was to create some more action on the ship. They had Nimoy and Barrett and could have created a scene or two of just them (if other pilot actors weren't available) to pad out the running time.
 
Maurice said:
The simplest non-Hunter solution was to create some more action on the ship. They had Nimoy and Barrett and could have created a scene or two of just them (if other pilot actors weren't available) to pad out the running time.
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But they'd heavily altered the sets by that point, so that wouldn't have been so easy. The simplest solution was the one Roddenberry proposed -- padding the running time with a slower edit and more stock establishing shots. You can change a film's running time by a surprising amount just by how much silence you choose to leave in between lines.
 
Christopher said:
But they'd heavily altered the sets by that point, so that wouldn't have been so easy. The simplest solution was the one Roddenberry proposed -- padding the running time with a slower edit and more stock establishing shots. You can change a film's running time by a surprising amount just by how much silence you choose to leave in between lines.
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When I was in sixth grade, we had to write a five-page report on something. Handwritten, of course. The teacher noticed that some kids got to that length by putting extra space between the words.

Any way you slice it (meaning the 35mm negative), "The Cage" would have been a very modest movie. But if NBC had never ordered a second pilot, and Star Trek had become a one-off theatrical release, I think it would be a cult film today. We vintage sci-fi guys would love it alongside Forbidden Planet, just as the cheaper Rocketship X-M is loved with Destination Moon.
 
What if they had made Star Trek into a television series? How different would the world be today?
 
Christopher said:
Maurice said:
The simplest non-Hunter solution was to create some more action on the ship. They had Nimoy and Barrett and could have created a scene or two of just them (if other pilot actors weren't available) to pad out the running time.
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But they'd heavily altered the sets by that point, so that wouldn't have been so easy. The simplest solution was the one Roddenberry proposed -- padding the running time with a slower edit and more stock establishing shots. You can change a film's running time by a surprising amount just by how much silence you choose to leave in between lines.
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We saw little of the ship in "The Cage". They could have set a scene in any other standing set of the show besides the bridge, captain's cabin, or briefing room. They could be in a lab or engineering or whatever. Use your imagination.

As someone who edits film/video I'm frankly skeptical they could have gotten the necessary extra 10+ minutes by putting air back into the show without making it a slog. I think Gene was bluffing.
 
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ZapBrannigan said:
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Any way you slice it (meaning the 35mm negative), "The Cage" would have been a very modest movie. But if NBC had never ordered a second pilot, and Star Trek had become a one-off theatrical release, I think it would be a cult film today. We vintage sci-fi guys would love it alongside Forbidden Planet, just as the cheaper Rocketship X-M is loved with Destination Moon.
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Would you rate it up there with Ikarie XB-1? I don't think that I would.
 
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