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Laverne Cox To Be Frank 'N Furter in TV movie version of 'Rocky Horror

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Frank is from the Planet Transsexual, which is located in the galaxy of Transylvania.

Frank himself is a transvestite.

Riff Raff and Magenta are also from Transsexual but neither of them are like Frank.

Haha
 
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^ The difference being that those movies are good.

:rofl:

I saw RHPS twice at the Exeter's midnight showing as a young thing. I fell asleep before the end both times. :alienblush:

I think the first time I actually saw the end of the movie was at a Halloween party 20 years later. ;)

What I remember fondly was dressing up to go to the theater (I got in free both times!), the entire song track being acted out on stage by costumed fans before the show, the choreographed tossing of toilet paper and toast during the movie along with ritualized crowd heckling ( "This man has no neck!"), the colored lights behind the two massive organs in the theater's front alcoves going off at the end of the movie and walking home after the show because the subway had stopped running by then.

Tell me, what actor /actress /executive producer can compete with such memories? :p

As for the idea of a female playing a guy in films (assuming TPTB don't change the story line), ever since American female Linda Hunt won a best supporting actress award for playing the Chinese Australian male Billy Kwan for 1982's "Year of Living Dangerously", its hard to claim casting is inappropriate merely based on the gender of the player. :vulcan:
 
Re: Laverne Cox To Be Frank 'N Furter in TV movie version of 'Rocky Ho

Now, remaking such an iconic movie is not necessary, but I've come around to thinking, it doesn't hurt, either. So, the question shouldn't be "Why?", but "Why not?". It's not like this production is looking out to replace the original movie. That's out of the question, if for no other reason than it being made-for-TV, where the original movie LIVES from the shared theatre experience more than any other movie in the world.

Amen. Honestly, I'm starting to wish we could ban the world "iconic" because, more often than not, it's used to argue that some beloved character or property needs to be treated like a sacred cow that demands utter reverence and fidelity to the original.

And, to be clear, I didn't mean to imply that transgender and transvestite were synonyms. I was just kind of boggled at the idea of anyone being freaked out by gender-flipping a character in something as irreverent and boundary-pushing as The Rocky Horror Picture Show of all things!

I mean, next they'll remake BSG and make Starbuck a woman or something, and Lord knows we can't have that . . . . :)
 
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I suppose the only issue for me is if she looks like a woman and acts like a woman and sounds like a woman then it's another example of woman on woman action being more acceptable on TV than man on man action. That's irksome. When I watched the US version of State of Play, it was annoying that the gay 'good guy' was lost in editing leaving only a reprehensible bi guy to fly the flag. However, many other shows are featuring gay characters these days so I can't really view this casting as a step backwards.

Plus Frank is pretty reprehensible too and it is just a fun, silly musical. If Laverne can manage a deep voice I think she can pull it off! However, she will likely look far better in suspenders than the original intent...

I don't know if people have actually seen and heard Laverne Cox. I could see the argument if we were talking "generic woman #1" playing the part but I can imagine her doing justice to Frank.

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i026Leg5EIw[/yt]
 
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So hiring a trans woman (a man who has transitioned into a woman) to play the role of a character who is a bisexual man, who enjoys dressing like a woman, misses the point.

given Richard O'Brien is transgendered - I wonder if he thinks it misses the point?

I doubt it.
 
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So hiring a trans woman (a man who has transitioned into a woman) to play the role of a character who is a bisexual man, who enjoys dressing like a woman, misses the point.

given Richard O'Brien is transgendered - I wonder if he thinks it misses the point?

I doubt it.

Exactly. Richard has spent most of his life never really identifying with any gender or orientation, and was struggling with gender fluidity for decades before it became a mainstream subject in the shows of today.

A lot of RHPS was him playing around with ideas of morality, gender, sexuality etc in a film that tried to spoof as many popular movie genres as it could, all in a completely over the top fashion.

To be honest, the more mind bendingly uncomfortable this reboot is on most of those subjects, the more it connects to the original.

What was Frank's little remark about an occasional mindfuck again? :lol:
 
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^ The difference being that those movies are good.

:rofl:

I saw RHPS twice at the Exeter's midnight showing as a young thing. I fell asleep before the end both times. :alienblush:

I think the first time I actually saw the end of the movie was at a Halloween party 20 years later. ;)

What I remember fondly was dressing up to go to the theater (I got in free both times!), the entire song track being acted out on stage by costumed fans before the show, the choreographed tossing of toilet paper and toast during the movie along with ritualized crowd heckling ( "This man has no neck!"), the colored lights behind the two massive organs in the theater's front alcoves going off at the end of the movie and walking home after the show because the subway had stopped running by then.

I've always found that RHPS seems to run out of steam at its (IMO) boring final act. Maybe it was going to those Midnight shows so we were always tired by that point.

BBC America played a recording of a stage production recently and what worked to an extent was that you could see the crowd heckle and interact with dancing and lights (no lighters these days...). I agree that it is less on its own than as a communal experience though it's grown on me over the years as just a movie.
 
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What was Frank's little remark about an occasional mindfuck again? :lol:
"A mental mind fuck can be nice."

Great points about Richard O'Brien, by the way. I only just found yesterday that Richard O'Brien is transgendered when I told my mom about Cox's casting.
 
Re: Laverne Cox To Be Frank 'N Furter in TV movie version of 'Rocky Ho

How many bisexual male transvestites have played Frank?
 
Re: Laverne Cox To Be Frank 'N Furter in TV movie version of 'Rocky Ho

Remaking an iconic film with such a fervent fan base is a dicey venture whether Frank is a man, a woman, or an animated / CGI character. :vulcan:

It would be like remaking Gone with the Wind with Brad and Angelina. :wtf:

Or remaking The Princess Bride with Robert Pattison and Kristen Stewart. :cardie:

There are some remakes that should be left undone. :p

GREAT SCOTT! :eek:

How do you know that they couldn't work with those actors? Back in the day of 'classic' Hollywood, the major studios used to remake a lot of things every four to ten years or so (MGM made three versions of Rose Marie with different stars from each era of the studio in the roles, for example)-and nobody had problems with them, from critics to moviegoers (and also because nobody, except for a few people, were cinéastes) therefore, remakes could be done with no big problem, and no controversies or cries about memories being spoiled or childhoods being raped. Today, it's as if film has become a sacred religion, with movie theaters becoming the houses of worship (even though they look less like the movie theaters of yesteryear that themselves resembled churches) and so due to the Internet, blog sites, websites devoted to film, and the IMDB, film has become more sacred and nigh untouchable than the stage has, leading to people screaming 'blasphemey!' if one so much as tries to remake anything.

The ironic thing in all of this is that most stage productions of Rocky Horror most likely have racially mixed casts, with people of color playing Frank or anybody else on stage, yet the people most likely to object to this probably will never do any homework to see if this has already happened (much like none of the assholes bitching online about last years's version of Annie bothered to check and see about people of color being Annie Warbucks [Annie Stacks in the 2014 film version]-they just ASSume that Annie-itself a bastardization of the themes in the original comic strip as written by Harold Gray-has to be set in the 1930's Depression milieu instead of today, and can't have a person of color as Annie.) So bullshit follows stupidity follows racism follows ignorance to produce controversies about remaking movies and about racial re-casting of people of color in white lead (or secondary) roles in movies and TV when it's done in theater all of the time. How sad that this is happening now.

For the record, I'd love to see Pitt and Jolie in a remake of any classic man-and-woman movie (except for Gone with the Wind, which can stay buried for all I care) along with a remake of The Princess Bride featuring Pattison and Stewart as Wesley and Buttercup, or both in the same kinds of roles as Pitt and Jolie above-it might be fun.
 
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Remaking an iconic film with such a fervent fan base is a dicey venture whether Frank is a man, a woman, or an animated / CGI character. :vulcan:

It would be like remaking Gone with the Wind with Brad and Angelina. :wtf:

Or remaking The Princess Bride with Robert Pattison and Kristen Stewart. :cardie:

There are some remakes that should be left undone. :p

GREAT SCOTT! :eek:

How do you know that they couldn't work with those actors? Back in the day of 'classic' Hollywood, the major studios used to remake a lot of things every four to ten years or so (MGM made three versions of Rose Marie with different stars from each era of the studio in the roles, for example)-and nobody had problems with them, from critics to moviegoers (and also because nobody, except for a few people, were cinéastes) therefore, remakes could be done with no big problem, and no controversies or cries about memories being spoiled or childhoods being raped. .

Exactly.

As it happens, last night I was watching the classic Bob Hope version of The Cat and The Canary, which was a big hit in 1939, despite the fact that it was at least the third remake of the original 1922 movie, which was itself based on a long-running stageplay.

Revamping classic stories is as old as time. I mean, nobody complains when the Met stages its umpteenth new production of Carmen.

And yet an old movie or TV show needs to be treated as a sacred relic that can never be altered or improved upon?
 
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The ironic thing in all of this is that most stage productions of Rocky Horror most likely have racially mixed casts, with people of color playing Frank or anybody else on stage, yet the people most likely to object to this probably will never do any homework to see if this has already happened (much like none of the assholes bitching online about last years's version of Annie bothered to check and see about people of color being Annie Warbucks [Annie Stacks in the 2014 film version]-they just ASSume that Annie-itself a bastardization of the themes in the original comic strip as written by Harold Gray-has to be set in the 1930's Depression milieu instead of today, and can't have a person of color as Annie.) So bullshit follows stupidity follows racism follows ignorance to produces controversies about remaking movie and about racial re-casting of people of color in white lead (or secondary) roles in movies and TV when it's done in theater all of the time. How sad that this is happening now.

Does that last line refer to Annie or RHPS, because if the latter I'd like to see evidence of that because while people have problems with Cox as transgendered I have not seen color be mentioned as an issue.
 
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Yeah, when did it go from a gender issue to a racism issue?
 
I've always found that RHPS seems to run out of steam at its (IMO) boring final act. Maybe it was going to those Midnight shows so we were always tired by that point.

So true, so true. It was still a lot of fun, and I miss it. I saw it a bunch of times in my early 20's (25 years ago) and nothing else has ever quite matched the experience for me, sort of like mixing a musical with a concert, with a halloween party, with a trip to an amusement park, with an acid trip.

I would love to recapture that feeling again someday, but those days are gone forever, I'm afraid. I'm not sure if there are any local midnight screenings around here anymore, the little theater that we used to go see it at back in the early 90's is long gone now.
 
I read Adam Lambert has been cast as Eddie and I can imagine that might actually work. I can think of lots of worse choices anyway.
 
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I hope this production goes well but I have serious doubts with it being created for television instead of the theater. I would have much preferred to see a hard R rated film which took the classic story even further into weirdness
 
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