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October 19, 2015-the day that Canada changed for the better

Yeah, Joe Clark was just 39 when he defeated Pierre Trudeau in the 1979 elections and became Prime Minister. He turned 40 during his short tenure in office, making him the youngest PM in Canadian history.

John Kennedy was elected President here at the age of 43 years, 5 months and a handful of days and took office two months later. Trudeau is currently about five months older than JFK was when he was elected.
I was still in high school in 1979 (Grade 12), and have suddenly realized just how many years have gone by. A few days ago, somebody on another forum I belong to pointed out that I'm the only Canadian member there who is old enough to remember when Pierre Trudeau was Prime Minister. I was 5 when he was first elected.
 
You and others here might enjoy seeing this:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfDSimvCFY[/yt]
 
I always choose to remain neutral about who I vote for. I will say that I know many people who consider Canada to be ruined now that Trudeau has won. Time will tell.

No. Time won't tell. It won't happen.

Even if he is the worst Prime Minister ever, another election will happen long before any country is "ruined".


And your neutrality isn't really showing that well.
 
America survived President James Buchanan.

Barely. But we did it.

Just sayin'.
 
You and others here might enjoy seeing this:

[yt]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JBfDSimvCFY[/yt]
Thank you! :D

I wasn't old enough to vote at the time, but I vaguely recall watching this. Even though I couldn't vote, I was an avid follower of federal politics back then.

They all look so young there! Both Ed Broadbent and Joe Clark are elderly men now (of course, given that this was 36 years ago) and Pierre Trudeau died in 2000.

Oh, and the moderator who introduced it? He's the current Governor General - the person who represents the Queen. If the recent election had resulted in a minority government, he could have been called on to decide which party would get to govern, or if a coalition would, or if no satisfactory arrangements could be worked out, he would have had to authorize yet another election.

Why would you support Harper? :wtf:

Because down here, I'm a Republican. Up there, I'd be CPC. :)
You do realize that you would have been a supporter of the most hated Prime Minister in our history? Actually, the way some people phrased it was thus: "Stephen Harper, how does it feel to know you're the most hated person in Canada?"

You say you're Republican, but are you the Tea Party kind of Republican? Because that's where Canada was heading under the government we just kicked out.
 
He did manage to run the longest Conservative-led government since Sir Robert Borden. Arthur Meighen was just in office a couple of very short times, Richard B. Bennett's government lasted five years, Diefenbaker was in power for about six, Clark was voted out of power after only eight months and Mulroney made it to 8 years, 9 months before retiring and turning over the office to Kim Campbell.

I guess he can always say he was the longest-serving Tory Prime Minister in a century, because it doesn't look like he'll get much love and credit for a whole lot else.
 
I noticed that NDP is back to being the third party after making a huge surge in 2011 and becoming the main opposition party for the first time ever. How come they fell back down to Earth so hard? Did they do that poor of a job? It would have been cool to see the Conservatives get trounced as badly as the Liberals did in 2011.
 
You do realize that you would have been a supporter of the most hated Prime Minister in our history? Actually, the way some people phrased it was thus: "Stephen Harper, how does it feel to know you're the most hated person in Canada?"

Everyone supports the candidate of their choice. No one should feel obligated to care what other people think of that candidate. You vote for who you like, not for who everyone else likes.

You say you're Republican, but are you the Tea Party kind of Republican?

No.
 
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To give you some idea, he was bad to the point that even Conservative voters were voting Liberal, in order to vote him out.

I noticed that NDP is back to being the third party after making a huge surge in 2011 and becoming the main opposition party for the first time ever. How come they fell back down to Earth so hard? Did they do that poor of a job? It would have been cool to see the Conservatives get trounced as badly as the Liberals did in 2011.

That's a complex question given the many factors involved, but I've heard it said that people started losing faith in Mulcair. They did have a huge amount of support in leading to the election being announced, but then it just sort of dissolved by the time the election rolled around. Maybe the debates killed their momentum once people they heard him speak, though I found he held himself very well.

But yeah, it's sad to see that they haven't held a seat of power.
 
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This photo is making the rounds on Facebook today:
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AsoOmii Jay (Who posted it)
The prime minister of Canada in a local mosque wearing the national dress of Pakistan and celebrating his victory in the recent elections. #Respect
After been hearing we're terrorists and jihadis among "canadians" for simply being Muslim or veiled, its refreshing to see someone cultured, educated and human leading our country.


This says it all. A leader who doesn't villainize huge portions of our population to his political advantage. We still have a long way to go in eliminating racism but it's obvious with Justin as PM we are much, much closer to being a county of immigrants (yup, even Euro-settlers) in harmony rather than subjugated to mistrust and hatred unabashed on all sides.

It's a thrilling time and I feel like this political winter has lasted since 2005. I've never been prouder to be a Canadian than this week. I'm even happy for the Conservatives - they'll get a new leader and they deserve one. Truly.

An article from the Globe and Mail this week, titled, "Canada’s election message to the world: Xenophobia doesn’t play here"
https://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=...eQodUbJqMmtlz6Fw9yfZ9Q&bvm=bv.105841590,d.dmo
 
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He did manage to run the longest Conservative-led government since Sir Robert Borden. Arthur Meighen was just in office a couple of very short times, Richard B. Bennett's government lasted five years, Diefenbaker was in power for about six, Clark was voted out of power after only eight months and Mulroney made it to 8 years, 9 months before retiring and turning over the office to Kim Campbell.

I guess he can always say he was the longest-serving Tory Prime Minister in a century, because it doesn't look like he'll get much love and credit for a whole lot else.
As I said before, the word "Tory" has traditionally been applied to the real Conservative Party - the Progressive Conservatives, which ceased to exist in 2003 when this mutated abomination was created in a sleazy backroom deal.

Stephen Harper was never a real Conservative. He was a Reform Party member, which later became the Canadian Alliance (the Reform Party with a name change), and then there was a "Unite the Right" movement that resulted in a hideous mashup of the Canadian Alliance and some of the old Conservatives.

Back when they were trying to figure out what to call this new party, one suggestion was the Conservative Reform-Alliance Party. That was met with some enthusiasm... until one of them realized that it would result in their party's acronym being CRAP. So they eventually settled on the Conservative Party of Canada. However, those of us who have kept this party's history firmly in mind have never been under the illusion that it's anything but the old Reform Party under yet another alias. And to this day it still gets referred to as the CRAP party by a fair number of people on the CBC comment boards.

As for "love and credit"... some of his loyal sycophants are still posting on CBC, but it's hilarious to see how many formerly-pro CPC posters have not only stopped posting, but their profiles have disappeared. The sheer number of paid posters was staggering (and exhausting to keep up with).

As for the rest of us, about the politest that anyone has wished him is a life of complete obscurity. Quite a few people think he belongs in prison.

I noticed that NDP is back to being the third party after making a huge surge in 2011 and becoming the main opposition party for the first time ever. How come they fell back down to Earth so hard? Did they do that poor of a job? It would have been cool to see the Conservatives get trounced as badly as the Liberals did in 2011.
They didn't do a bad job. The problem is that some ridings were so close between support for Liberals and NDP that there was a risk of splitting the vote and allowing the Conservatives to sneak up the middle and get in again. I myself was conflicted for most of the campaign on which party to support - even in a riding where it's a foregone conclusion that a Conservative will win. The ridings where a non-Conservative was either an incumbent or had a really good shot at unseating the Conservative incumbent are the places where people had to choose which way to go to ensure that the Conservative candidate did not win.

For many people in Quebec, that shift happened with the niqab issue. A Muslim woman wanted to take her citizenship oath while wearing her niqab, and Harper and his cronies had tried to put legislation in that would prevent that. The Supreme Court struck that down, and she was allowed to take the oath as she wanted to - with her face covered. This did not sit well with a lot of voters in Quebec, and when the NDP leader publicly supported this woman's wish to wear the niqab, that was enough to shake some Quebec voters out of their quandary on whether to vote Liberal or NDP.

The ironic thing is that the Liberals also supported the woman's right to wear the niqab during this ceremony, but they didn't make a huge public statement about it. They also didn't have as many incumbent seats on the line in Quebec as the NDP did.


There were other reasons for the shift from NDP to Liberal, of course, and there was also a shift in a few Quebec ridings from NDP to Bloc Quebecois. But the niqab issue is one that had people distracted and arguing for quite some time until they realized that they really had to buckle down and make a hard decision if they wanted Harper out. So a lot of the Liberal support that was received this time isn't because the people genuinely support that party. It's because it was the only way to rid ourselves of a corrupt government that was dragging the country in a direction in which most of us did not want to go.

You do realize that you would have been a supporter of the most hated Prime Minister in our history? Actually, the way some people phrased it was thus: "Stephen Harper, how does it feel to know you're the most hated person in Canada?"
Everyone supports the candidate of their choice. No one should feel obligated to care how many people supposedly hate that candidate. You vote for who you like, not for who everyone else likes.

You say you're Republican, but are you the Tea Party kind of Republican?
No.
Just pointing out that you're declaring support for a corrupt narcissist who was so full of himself that he ordered the media to refer to the Canadian government as "the Harper government" - like it was his personal property.
 
Stephen Harper was never a real Conservative. He was a Reform Party member, which later became the Canadian Alliance (the Reform Party with a name change), and then there was a "Unite the Right" movement that resulted in a hideous mashup of the Canadian Alliance and some of the old Conservatives.

Well said. I used to vote Conservative, until they were tainted with that, as you say, hideous mashup. I wonder if those two parties could separate themselves again? It seems less likely than the Libs/NDP merging.
 
Stephen Harper was never a real Conservative. He was a Reform Party member, which later became the Canadian Alliance (the Reform Party with a name change), and then there was a "Unite the Right" movement that resulted in a hideous mashup of the Canadian Alliance and some of the old Conservatives.
Well said. I used to vote Conservative, until they were tainted with that, as you say, hideous mashup. I wonder if those two parties could separate themselves again? It seems less likely than the Libs/NDP merging.
This is part of the current discussion going on throughout several of the CBC comment boards. I rather suspect that the only person people would trust at this point would be Joe Clark, as he held out to the bitter end as a Conservative MP and refused to have anything to do with the Reform Party.
 
At 76, though, would even Joe Clark be able to unify Conservatives under a new banner? From all I've read and seen about him over the years he's a pretty decent and principled guy even if you disagree with his politics and they could pick far worse, but even if he were elected to lead the party post-Harper would he be considered much too old and too much of a throwback to a previous era to be taken seriously by the Canadian public at-large?
 
As I said before, the word "Tory" has traditionally been applied to the real Conservative Party - the Progressive Conservatives, which ceased to exist in 2003 when this mutated abomination was created in a sleazy backroom deal.

Stephen Harper was never a real Conservative. He was a Reform Party member, which later became the Canadian Alliance (the Reform Party with a name change), and then there was a "Unite the Right" movement that resulted in a hideous mashup of the Canadian Alliance and some of the old Conservatives.

Back when they were trying to figure out what to call this new party, one suggestion was the Conservative Reform-Alliance Party. That was met with some enthusiasm... until one of them realized that it would result in their party's acronym being CRAP. So they eventually settled on the Conservative Party of Canada. However, those of us who have kept this party's history firmly in mind have never been under the illusion that it's anything but the old Reform Party under yet another alias. And to this day it still gets referred to as the CRAP party by a fair number of people on the CBC comment boards.

As for "love and credit"... some of his loyal sycophants are still posting on CBC, but it's hilarious to see how many formerly-pro CPC posters have not only stopped posting, but their profiles have disappeared. The sheer number of paid posters was staggering (and exhausting to keep up with).

As for the rest of us, about the politest that anyone has wished him is a life of complete obscurity. Quite a few people think he belongs in prison.

I think that something else should happen to him after his trial and conviction if he ever was charged with anything, but the technology doesn't exist yet.

At 76, though, would even Joe Clark be able to unify Conservatives under a new banner? From all I've read and seen about him over the years he's a pretty decent and principled guy even if you disagree with his politics and they could pick far worse, but even if he were elected to lead the party post-Harper would he be considered much too old and too much of a throwback to a previous era to be taken seriously by the Canadian public at-large?

It would be nice if that at this age, he could (maybe just be 'leader' long enough to bring the old party back), but I think that sadly, he would be considered an old fossil past his prime.
 
At 76, though, would even Joe Clark be able to unify Conservatives under a new banner? From all I've read and seen about him over the years he's a pretty decent and principled guy even if you disagree with his politics and they could pick far worse, but even if he were elected to lead the party post-Harper would he be considered much too old and too much of a throwback to a previous era to be taken seriously by the Canadian public at-large?
That would depend on his health and if he'd want to. I think enough people would welcome a return to traditional Conservatism. I've never voted Conservative in my life - any kind of Conservative - and even I'd be happy to see Joe Clark come back and shake some sanity back into the right-wing.

However, I doubt he would want to get back into the stressful environment of Parliament. He's made a new life and career for himself, and is likely okay with not having to put up with the constant fighting both upfront and behind the back.

I remember the first or second day of Jean Chretien's first mandate back in 1993. I was watching Question Period, and a young Liberal backbencher stood up to ask her first question. She was a rookie, but made a mistake that even most rookies would never make - she added a dig at the Canadian Alliance member across the floor, using the phrase "Honourable or otherwise" (meaning she didn't think the CA member was honorable).

The House erupted in outrage, because that is unparliamentary and quite offensive, to formally impugn another MP's honor like that (in actuality the person might really be a horrible person, but you're not allowed to say so). Joe Clark stood up and gave her a lecture on parliamentary courtesy and propriety that nobody there likely ever forgot. He said, "ALL members of this House are honorable" (meaning that any time she referred to another MP she was to say "the Honourable Member from ____" - fill in the name of the riding). In an ideal world, the House should be free from those kinds of childish digs, but of course in practice it's hardly ever how things go.
 
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