Star Trek: Sol 4

[Autistoid]

A series set on mars.

Alright this is yet again another shameless copying of ideas from popular sci fi "The Martian"

have a whole series centered around mars. Copying ideas both from DS9 as well as Starfleet Academy concept.

Set in the time of great expansion post enterprise, as earth as part of the new federation is rapidly expansion it's shipyards.

Focus on adult professionals involved in various federation projects, as well as using this as an explanation for how federation economy works.

Establish star fleet academy and how it's involved in training etc.

Show the federation to be acting in a massive expansion phase. As mars is used as a prime construction location for federation ships and training of it's most advanced personal.


Show how mars is being used as a research station for various wings of the federation.

 

[Autistoid]

The show would lean heavily on DS9-Enterprise, while working hard to establish federation citizens as the kind of folk that would make picard look average.

Utopia Planitia Shipyards would be a core point of focus for much of the show.

Experimental ships, with test pilots, designers, politicians, as well as many alien visitors trying to have influence on the newly founded federation.

One of the main overreaching arks are the various interest groups, trying to have influence on the future of the federation.

The young officers trying hard to establish the federation as a agency that is interested in exploration.

The engineers competing to have their design be king.

The aliens who want to determine earths role in the federation.

The starfleet military types who want to see the federation take on a directly military role.

The politicians looking to capitalize on the opportunity to advance themselves.

The everymans trying to maintain their cultures. (being in the 2160s earth cultures are still struggling to maintain themselves.

 

[Jeffe525]

Sounds like a miniseries, or part of a larger anthology series. I always like to see stories that delve deeper into established aspects previously only touched on though.

 

[uniderth]

I really like the title. I also think it could get by with just being Sol 4 (Whatever you do don't make it Sol IV, because correct Roman numerals would be Sol IIII).

I could get into a series like this if it included a mystery element perhaps finding the remains of a lost alien civilization such as the pyramids or face on Mars(I know it's not really a face). Also it would be interesting to see Mars independence. Where Mars separates from Earth and becomes a Federation member planet.

I think a Mars independence element would really speak to the political climate today. The US is so divided, it really is only a matter of time until it breaks apart into separate nations.

 

[BillJ]

Let's base it on two series that had ever dwindling ratings. Brilliant!

 

[Jeffe525]

...it could get by with just being Sol 4...

Agreed.

Whatever you do don't make it Sol IV, because correct Roman numerals would be Sol IIII.

Incorrect. IIII and IV has been used alternatively since antiquity. IV is the most common usage in modern times.

I think a Mars independence element would really speak to the political climate today. The US is so divided, it really is only a matter of time until it breaks apart into separate nations.

The U.S. Civil War settled the issue of succession. Unlike the 1860's, today the country is not divided geographically, just politically (and no more than is historically typical). And extreme divisions only exist within a very loud, yet still small segment of the electorate. Don't believe everything (or anything) Fox News tells you.

My disagreement with the analogy aside, I like the idea of a Martian Independence show, but a whole series based on this concept is not Star Trek to me.

 

[Tarek71]

I personally think a Daedalus Class Enterprise in the 2160s would be a great setting for a show. I could see the Sol IV events as something part of that larger setting. A story arc and place of recurring interest.

For me, Star Trek is about Trekking through the stars. So we can have that element and still have story arcs that flesh out the 2160s Federation.

 

[uniderth]

Whatever you do don't make it Sol IV, because correct Roman numerals would be Sol IIII.

Incorrect. IIII and IV has been used alternatively since antiquity. IV is the most common usage in modern times.[/quote]

That is correct. However, according to my understanding, IV was used only when space was at a premium. IIII was the common form.

The modern form didn't come into common usage until the middle ages. But if we are going to use an ancient writing system we should probably try and use it the way it was intended. Unless we've been using medieval numerals all this time. But then why call them Roman.

Plus using Roman Numerals in the primary additive form allows arithmetic to be possible.

4 + 9 = 13

Incorrect:
IV + IX = XVII = 17

Correct:
IIII + VIIII = VIIIIIIII -> V(IIIII)III -> (VV)III -> XIII = 13

I have no idea if you knew that already but that's my justification for maintaining the classic system of Roman numerals.

The U.S. Civil War settled the issue of succession. Unlike the 1860's, today the country is not divided geographically, just politically (and no more than is historically typical). And extreme divisions only exist within a very loud, yet still small segment of the electorate. Don't believe everything (or anything) Fox News tells you.

Actually, I don't watch the news, I don't believe what any news outlet says. But, I do associate with several separatist movements. The Civil War didn't settle anything other than perhaps US policy towards secession. The thing is that secession or independence isn't a strictly legal process. It is usually illegal in the country been seceded from; but clearly viewed as legal and necessary in the country doing the seceding. Seceding countries generally don't ask for permission from their mother country.

My disagreement with the analogy aside, I like the idea of a Martian Independence show, but a whole series based on this concept is not Star Trek to me.

I agree. I wouldn't want it to be the entire show, but a story arc would be cool.

I could see the Sol IV...

 

[Tarek71]

I could see the Sol IV...

Star Trek IIII: The Voyage Home? Hmmmm. Nah! IV.

 

[Jeffe525]

Whatever you do don't make it Sol IV, because correct Roman numerals would be Sol IIII.

Incorrect. IIII and IV has been used alternatively since antiquity. IV is the most common usage in modern times.

That is correct. However, according to my understanding, IV was used only when space was at a premium. IIII was the common form.

The modern form didn't come into common usage until the middle ages. But if we are going to use an ancient writing system we should probably try and use it the way it was intended. Unless we've been using medieval numerals all this time. But then why call them Roman.

Plus using Roman Numerals in the primary additive form allows arithmetic to be possible.

4 + 9 = 13

Incorrect:
IV + IX = XVII = 17

Correct:
IIII + VIIII = VIIIIIIII -> V(IIIII)III -> (VV)III -> XIII = 13

I have no idea if you knew that already but that's my justification for maintaining the classic system of Roman numerals.

It's a good justification, but my research says that IIII and IV were both used (sometimes even on the same document) since the system was invented.

I think they would see it as IV + IX = V + X - I - I = 13 (since the I's came before the V and X).

Either way, this is getting way off topic. IMO a Star Trek: Sol IIII would probably be mistaken for some kind of typo, while Sol IV would be easily recognized. But it doesn't matter since I originally recommended ST: Sol 4. Done.

 

[uniderth]

I apologize for taking the thread off course. Let's get back to Mars.

Perhaps some efforts into terraforming Mars could be depicted including the perils of thinking we can alter a planet to that degree.

 

[Autistoid]

I really like the title. I also think it could get by with just being Sol 4 (Whatever you do don't make it Sol IV, because correct Roman numerals would be Sol IIII).

I could get into a series like this if it included a mystery element perhaps finding the remains of a lost alien civilization such as the pyramids or face on Mars(I know it's not really a face). Also it would be interesting to see Mars independence. Where Mars separates from Earth and becomes a Federation member planet.

I think a Mars independence element would really speak to the political climate today. The US is so divided, it really is only a matter of time until it breaks apart into separate nations.

Well I think the overall ark would be how utopian ideals beat out paranoid politics.

Which each group in the series having their own paranoid beliefs.

Earth is getting soft, Earth is getting to militant,

Humans are a galactic threat, humans are too weak etc.

If TOS was a wagon trail to the stars, this is about the construction of the railroad to follow that journey.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why is this called Star Trek?

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

A series set on mars.

Why restrict it to our solar system? Why not Deneva or Aldebaran? Or a new colony just recently settled and being used as a launching pad for further expansion, so there is a lot of focus, activity and high hopes for the small settlement. As such the place would be buzzing with engineers, military types, politicians, scientists, traders, travellers, etc, all looking to throw their weight about.

Establish star fleet academy and how it's involved in training etc.

It's been established previously with the main campus in San Francisco, though there would most likely be "training annexes" across the Federation, as well as cadets on field training.

The aliens who want to determine earths role in the federation.

The UFP is supposed to be an equal partnership, though going by what we've seen this would be reversed, with humans trying to apply their cultural ideals on aliens.

 

[Autistoid]

Why restrict it to our solar system? Why not Deneva or Aldebaran? Or a new colony just recently settled and being used as a launching pad for further expansion, so there is a lot of focus, activity and high hopes for the small settlement. As such the place would be buzzing with engineers, military types, politicians, scientists, traders, travellers, etc, all looking to throw their weight about.

Why because mars is a point of focus, it gives the non trek audience a way to tune into the trek universe with familiar land marks.

It's been established previously with the main campus in San Francisco, though there would most likely be "training annexes" across the Federation, as well as cadets on field training.

Well this wouldn't literally be that, but happens after the academy. How does one train fresh graduates for a galaxy we know little about.

The UFP is supposed to be an equal partnership, though going by what we've seen this would be reversed, with humans trying to apply their cultural ideals on aliens.

At what time in history. setting it after Enterprise, would show earth a surging minor power. Hence all the drama.

 

[BillJ]

Why is this called Star Trek?

Laziness or the desire to ride on someone else coattails? You can choose...

 

[uniderth]

Why is this called Star Trek?

Because it's depicting an aspect of the Star Trek universe that hasn't been seen yet. If it takes place in the Star Trek universe than the title Star Trek is fair game.

I do think that the title Sol 4 is far more provocative and exciting that Star Trek: Sol 4.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Why is this called Star Trek?

Because it's depicting an aspect of the Star Trek universe that hasn't been seen yet. If it takes place in the Star Trek universe than the title Star Trek is fair game.

I do think that the title Sol 4 is far more provocative and exciting that Star Trek: Sol 4.

Sounds like more name dropping and dot connecting to me. Which I find uninteresting.

Do we really need to know how the Federation economy works?

Where are the characters? What are the real plots?

 

[Tim Thomason]

I do think that the title Sol 4 is far more provocative and exciting that Star Trek: Sol 4.

True. But then, the audience might get confused, and the show renamed "Star Trek: Sol 4" anyway, halfway through the third season.

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

Do we really need to know how the Federation economy works?

George Lucas thought fans needed to know how the interstellar politics and trade agreements worked in the prequel trilogy, and we all saw how well that worked

Where are the characters? What are the real plots?

That's always what I like to read as well, the setting can be new or mundane, so long as the people we're watching are interesting and engaging.