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VOY Fan Theories

Interesting stuff. I agree about the Borg Queen being Seven's mother. Out of millions of drones, Seven was the only one who was compatable? Hmm...

Here's my own, it may just be my inner ship-ness talking though. The real reason Janeway refused to date (in the later seasons) is because she truly was in love with Seven. The first three seasons she was still pining for Mark. The only reason for Michael Sullivan was to try and cover up her feelings. She didn't want the crew to know. Which they all did anyways.

Seven settled for Chakotay because she was unaware of the captain's feelings for her.

As for the novels, and the J/C togetherness, Kristen Beyer does ship them. If someone else had written them, I doubt those two would have started a relationship.

Just my two cents.
 
Interesting stuff. I agree about the Borg Queen being Seven's mother. Out of millions of drones, Seven was the only one who was compatable? Hmm...

Here's my own, it may just be my inner ship-ness talking though. The real reason Janeway refused to date (in the later seasons) is because she truly was in love with Seven. The first three seasons she was still pining for Mark. The only reason for Michael Sullivan was to try and cover up her feelings. She didn't want the crew to know. Which they all did anyways.

Seven settled for Chakotay because she was unaware of the captain's feelings for her.

As for the novels, and the J/C togetherness, Kristen Beyer does ship them. If someone else had written them, I doubt those two would have started a relationship.

Just my two cents.

And Harry Kim had all those relationships with unattainable women because he deeply closeted and was pinning away for Tom.

Or so Garret Wang thought...apparently. I don't know if I ever heard what Mulgrew and Ryan thought about all that.
 
Another theory I have. It's not about Voyager the ship exactly, but it does involve the Caretaker and the Delta Quadrant. In the final season of TNG, the starship Hera, commanded by Geordi's mother, vanishes without a trace. Now I don't think it was anywhere near the badlands. But didn't Neelix tell Janeway in the first episode of Voyager that the Caretaker had been abducting ships from all over the galaxy for months? Perhaps Hera's disappearance might fall into that time frame. I've seen it brought up in a fanfiction since then, so I guess I'm not the only one that's thought of it.

This one is a bit tongue in cheek. Voyager's Ensign Vorik and TNG's Ensign Taurik, from the episode Lower Decks (played the same actor) are twins. I wonder if they were intended to be the same character like Tom Paris/Nick Locarno, but the name was changed for the purposes of copyright and royalties.

Edited to add: I agree with the one where the Caretaker was tampering with the Ocampa biology to shorten their life spans, only give them one pregnancy, etc. It was about population control.

I don't think Neelix was a pedophile. Because I considered Kes to be an adult. Yes, it's true she hadn't had her elogium yet. But just because Janeway compares the elogium to puberty doesn't mean it's the same thing as human puberty. As far as I can recall, the elogium just meant that was the only time an Ocampa could produce children. I don't recall anything being said about them not having physical relationships before that.
 
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Interesting stuff. I agree about the Borg Queen being Seven's mother. Out of millions of drones, Seven was the only one who was compatable? Hmm...

Here's my own, it may just be my inner ship-ness talking though. The real reason Janeway refused to date (in the later seasons) is because she truly was in love with Seven. The first three seasons she was still pining for Mark. The only reason for Michael Sullivan was to try and cover up her feelings. She didn't want the crew to know. Which they all did anyways.

Seven settled for Chakotay because she was unaware of the captain's feelings for her.

As for the novels, and the J/C togetherness, Kristen Beyer does ship them. If someone else had written them, I doubt those two would have started a relationship.

Just my two cents.

And Harry Kim had all those relationships with unattainable women because he deeply closeted and was pinning away for Tom.

Or so Garret Wang thought...apparently. I don't know if I ever heard what Mulgrew and Ryan thought about all that.

Has Garret Wang really said he thought Kim was closeted and in love with Tom? That's kind of funny, even though I don't think people denying being gay would even be imagined in the 24th century.
There was an odd subplot in Kim's section of Jeri Taylor's Pathways novel where he had a gay roommate at the Academy and then roommate was in love with Harry and convinced himself they were in a relationship before he came out to Harry. It would've been odd even in the 90s but that kind of closeted behavior shouldn't be a part of the 24th century, never mind that a Starfleet academy trainee get to that point and be capable of that kind of mental dysfunctions. That was kind of a fail imo although I think Taylor meant well, was trying to include some gay diversity and just fumbled it really badly. For what it's worth she also included a gay male couple who were Voyager security guards. They were pretty much the definition of tokens, I don't even think they had a line of dialogue between them. Even that scrap of inclusion meant the world to me at the time though, just to know they were gays on Voyager.
 
Has Garret Wang really said he thought Kim was closeted and in love with Tom? That's kind of funny, even though I don't think people denying being gay would even be imagined in the 24th century.


That's why I used the disclaimer 'apparently'. I have heard and read about Wang saying that but despite some half hearted searching on my part I haven't found a source but this idea keeps popping up. I'm sure there is some truth to it somewhere...I just haven't found it yet.
 
I always thought that had it not been for Madge Sinclair's untimely death about a year after Voyager premiered, Captain Sylvia LaForge and the USS Hera would've shown up at some point. Heck, my fan theory is it it could've been the USS Hera and not the USS Equinox in the season 5 finalé.
 
I always thought that had it not been for Madge Sinclair's untimely death about a year after Voyager premiered, Captain Sylvia LaForge and the USS Hera would've shown up at some point. Heck, my fan theory is it it could've been the USS Hera and not the USS Equinox in the season 5 finalé.

I didn't know that Madge Sinclair had died. Because I always thought Capt. Silva LaForge's ship had been abducted by the Caretaker as well. Well, after I saw Voyager, I did.
 
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Re: VOY Fan Theories
Espaço-chica wrote:
I favor that twins and triplets are more common than singles. Although singles do happen.

The whole questioning, debate, and derision of the Ocampa's lifespan and how it is possible is a boring canard. No one ever says or really even suggests that the female is limited to one child, only that conception can occur during one brief period. Kes doesn't say it, nor does the Doctor or the Caretaker. I think that most people that emphasize the negative viewpoints do so because they find the limited lifespan of the species a ridiculous concept and so seek to impugn most aspects of Ocampan biology or continually pose questions or proffer theories that are completely unnecessary.

Whatever shortcomings they displayed in the execution of the show generally, I don't think the show runners were so stupid and/or oblivious to introduce a race that would come to extinction in so short of a time if a calculation not much more complicated than 1+1=2 hadn't been considered. That's why there was no dialogue confirming a one child limitation included. Why should there have been when it was stated that the disastrous encounter had occurred 500 years before IIRC. Also, while it's possible the Nacene's misstep on Ocampa could have had some impact on their reproductive biology, this is mere supposition as well with no support given. The Caretaker's expressed regret was limited to the drastic changes wrought on Ocampa's biosphere. I would imagine that if any elemental damage was done to the Ocampans themselves, there wouldn't be any reason for the Caretaker not to mention it and his sincere grief would be presented as all the greater. The idea that he had wanted to escape his self-imposed exile by eliminating the Ocampans, however benignly, is not supported by his attitude, words, or actions and seems to me to be just imaginary piffle.

I think the possibilities inherent in envisioning a species with such a basic limitation was one that could have been utilized in very creative ways if Kes had remained on the show, though I would admit that the example set during her three years would not necessarily lead one to think that these prospects would have been exploited.
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Espaço-chica Re: VOY Fan Theories
WarpTenLizard wrote:
Why Neelix was so insanely jealous of Kes
Why, in Kes's on words, "On Ocampa we chose one mate for life, and there's no jealousy or distrust!""
Hole in theory.

Absolutely right. Neelix's explicit jealous period effectively ended in Parturition, about a quarter of the way through the 2nd season, more than a year before the relationship's split. Even the evidence of this timeline is irrelevant to the basis of Neelix's behavior IMO as it had nothing to do with chemicals but rather the result of his self-doubt and complicated feelings of unworthiness. I don't know that he loosened up, was happier, or experienced any fundamental change in how he expressed his personality after Kes was out of his life. It seems more reasonable to say that those revelatory episodes about his history and inner life and perhaps drew other viewers to feel more positively about his character, simply did not have Kes around as a filter to draw attention away from or mitigate the primacy of the plot to be more tightly focused on Neelix himself.

I also don't see anything incongruent or grossly out of character in Tom's expression of devotion to Kes in the alternate timeline. If he didn't act that way along the path to domestication with B'Elanna, I think it's only reasonable to attribute that to the vast differences in the two partner's personas and that consequently it would only be natural that Tom's demeanor would diverge regardless of his ardor for both seeming ultimately to be of the same intensity.

Of course, Tom was very attracted to Kes for a time. But to think that this attraction differed in motivation than any of his numerous affairs in the past seems pretty illusory. When the Doctor cited chapter and verse as to the signs of Tom's desire for Kes, he said nothing about such a distinctive biological quality that she possessed. While it obviously would have no effect on him, I find it very unlikely that the Doctor wouldn't be aware that it was an elemental part of her makeup. Further, is it realistic to think that Tom could negate or resist such a supposedly powerful lure just by virtue of his bracing adventure with Neelix and some cold fowl afterwards? He was still around Kes a lot afterwards, so would one argue that he simply managed to develop some effective armor to be able to resist the unresistable? No.

Obviously, Kes spent a lot of time around others, specifically Janeway, Tuvok, and Kim. Foregoing any jibes about the latter's sexual orientation, did any of them show the slightest intimation of erotic attraction to her (Tieran's insistence notwithstanding)? No. Nor did we have any evidence of any other random members of the crew following her around because they were in some kind of artificially induced heat.

The pheromone fallacy simply obscures the obvious truth like much else about the Ocampa. Those that felt intense romantic feelings for Kes did so because she was a beautiful individual whose extraordinary gifts they very feelingly perceived. There was no need to impose some extraneous factor to explain away this simple equation.
 
I also don't see anything incongruent or grossly out of character in Tom's expression of devotion to Kes in the alternate timeline. If he didn't act that way along the path to domestication with B'Elanna, I think it's only reasonable to attribute that to the vast differences in the two partner's personas and that consequently it would only be natural that Tom's demeanor would diverge regardless of his ardor for both seeming ultimately to be of the same intensity.

Now that I have had time to think about it I agree with this. I've known people (as I'm sure most here have or may have experienced this themselves) who have lost a partner and met someone else and fallen in love and of course they are different. They have experienced grief and sorrow and might well have learned from the mistakes from their previous relationship. They might be a bit more 'serious' or after realizing that life is short become more fun loving. The whole experience changes them so Tom being 'different' with Kes than he was with B'Elanna is realistic because he himself is different.
 
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I also don't see anything incongruent or grossly out of character in Tom's expression of devotion to Kes in the alternate timeline. If he didn't act that way along the path to domestication with B'Elanna, I think it's only reasonable to attribute that to the vast differences in the two partner's personas and that consequently it would only be natural that Tom's demeanor would diverge regardless of his ardor for both seeming ultimately to be of the same intensity.

Now that I have had time to think about it I agree with this. I've known people (as I'm sure most here have or may have experienced this themselves) who have lost a partner and met someone else and fallen in love and of course they are different. They have experienced grief and sorrow and might well have learned from the mistakes from their previous relationship. They might be a bit more 'serious' or after realizing that life is short become more fun loving. The whole experience changes them so Tom being 'different' with Kes than he was with B'Elanna is realistic because he himself is different.

I agree as well, I don't think Tom seemed out of character in his relationship with Kes in the AU timeline. The whole story strikes me as this: he lost the first serious love of his life, but he found love and happiness again with someone who was quite different. And in this AU timeline, he was on the verge of losing Kes in one way or another for a good bit of the episode.

I hope I'm explaining myself well, I'm not sure.
 
I thought Species 8472 disabled that borg cube from 'Unity', unless that was not just a theory?

Same with Evil Robert I thought USS Hera would turn up in Voyager especially when I heard Captain La Forge was appearing in an episode, except this turned out to be Geordi La Forge in 'Timeless'
 
Geordi hung his Captain Hat in favor of Reading Rainbow. I called it. :P

Ummmm theories....if I hadn't stopped to be a smarty pants I might have recalled it. Be back later I guess :)
 
I thought Species 8472 disabled that borg cube from 'Unity', unless that was not just a theory?

Same with Evil Robert I thought USS Hera would turn up in Voyager especially when I heard Captain La Forge was appearing in an episode, except this turned out to be Geordi La Forge in 'Timeless'

The Cube from Unity was destroyed by an electro-kinetic storm. However they teased 8472 in that episode by suggesting there might be something out there more powerful than the Borg.
 
Species 8472 doesn't just *disable* a cube. They do this:

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Greatest teaser in history, BTW. :techman:
 
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Another theory I have is that the Doctor portrayed Torres as a bitter shrew (although, ironically a fully human one) who threatened to reprogram him in his holonovel because she did reprogram in the episode Lineage. He accepted her apology, but I think it stuck with him and he still had some resentment over it.
 
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My theory is due to Naomi's half K'tarian physiology, her mother Samantha carried her in the womb longer than a normal human pregnancy. If Sam was already pregnant when Voyager left DS9, it seems like her pregnancy lasted over a year.

I thought that was explicitly stated in the show.
 
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