Old Spock and new Spock. Is it an alternate universe?

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

 

[Tosk]

Yes, the TOS universe still exists. Ambassador Spock is in an alternate timeline.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yes, the TOS universe still exists. Ambassador Spock is in an alternate timeline.

Yes but what does that even mean?

Does it mean they can visit and see the TOS Enterprise and crew since now the Vulcans have time travel. "The Vulcan Science Directorate" obviously did approve hehe. That was a nice nod to Enterprise.

 

[Dukhat]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

 

[Tosk]

Yes, the TOS universe still exists. Ambassador Spock is in an alternate timeline.

Yes but what does that even mean?

It means what it says on the box. An alternate timeline where events play out differently due to interference. I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting the TOS Enterprise" and the Vulcans having time travel.

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

He thought that they might set off a train reaction that could unravel the very fabric of the space-time continuum and destroy the entire universe! (Granted, that's just a worst-case scenario.)

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

He's probably thinking of Ron Silver's death scene in Timecop.

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[Cyke101]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Correct, but more of a universe or alternate reality that was created when Nero also traveled back in time.

The mirror universe episodes worked in a similar way.

Also, slightly skewed from my main point, but two versions of Janeway were able to meet, and even formulate a plan, all without blowing anything up (that came later, and from separate circumstances).

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

I wasn't sure what I was expecting. But even older Spock joked about it in the movie to his younger self. Just it's not something you usually see in time travel movies.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

]It means what it says on the box. An alternate timeline where events play out differently due to interference. I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting the TOS Enterprise" and the Vulcans having time travel.

Well older Spock did have that ship which was created by the Vulcan Science Directorate, which was a running joke in the series Enterprise about the Vulcans not believing in time travel so at some point in time they changed their minds and I gather they did believe. Plus they made that cool ship..

 

[Tosk]

]It means what it says on the box. An alternate timeline where events play out differently due to interference. I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting the TOS Enterprise" and the Vulcans having time travel.

Well older Spock did have that ship which was created by the Vulcan Science Directorate, which was a running joke in the series Enterprise about the Vulcans not believing in time travel so at some point in time they changed their minds and I gather they did believe. Plus they made that cool ship..

It's not a time machine though, just a ship that traveled through time accidentally.

But yes, the Vulcans would have eventually admitted that time travel is possible. Having several Vulcans actually travel through time will do that.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

]It means what it says on the box. An alternate timeline where events play out differently due to interference. I'm not sure what you mean by "visiting the TOS Enterprise" and the Vulcans having time travel.

Well older Spock did have that ship which was created by the Vulcan Science Directorate, which was a running joke in the series Enterprise about the Vulcans not believing in time travel so at some point in time they changed their minds and I gather they did believe. Plus they made that cool ship..

It's not a time machine though, just a ship that traveled through time accidentally.

But yes, the Vulcans would have eventually admitted that time travel is possible. Having several Vulcans actually travel through time will do that.

Yeah that's what I meant lol

 

[T'Girl]

two versions of the same person

Well, they were hardly the "same person."

 

[Dukhat]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

He's probably thinking of Ron Silver's death scene in Timecop.

Is that where they came up with that just-pulled-it-out-of-their-ass idea that if you go back in time and touch your past self, you'll morph into each other and die a horrible death? Funny, I seem to recall an episode of DS9 where that happened to O'Brien, and he was just fine.

 

[BillJ]

What did you expect would happen? That they'd both spontaneously combust?

He's probably thinking of Ron Silver's death scene in Timecop.

Is that where they came up with that just-pulled-it-out-of-their-ass idea that if you go back in time and touch your past self, you'll morph into each other and die a horrible death? Funny, I seem to recall an episode of DS9 where that happened to O'Brien, and he was just fine.

And the two Janeway's from "Endgame".

 

[Tarek71]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

It seemed like both time travel and universe hopping simultaneously. They arrived in the 23rd century of an alternate universe. Not sure how prime Kirk could appear. He's as dead as a door nail in the prime verse. So when in his prime time line could he come from to cross over to the AltVerse?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

It seemed like both time travel and universe hopping simultaneously. They arrived in the 23rd century of an alternate universe. Not sure how prime Kirk could appear. He's as dead as a door nail in the prime verse. So when in his prime time line could he come from to cross over to the AltVerse?

Yes my mistake. But then again he could have "died" in the Nexus and really is still out there somewhere LOL..

But no he's dead my mistake.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

It seemed like both time travel and universe hopping simultaneously. They arrived in the 23rd century of an alternate universe. Not sure how prime Kirk could appear. He's as dead as a door nail in the prime verse. So when in his prime time line could he come from to cross over to the AltVerse?

Only in the sense a new universe was created at the point of the time travelers' arrival. Branching time line, many worlds,,, just like the writers and the characters in the film have said since 2009.

 

[Tarek71]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

It seemed like both time travel and universe hopping simultaneously. They arrived in the 23rd century of an alternate universe. Not sure how prime Kirk could appear. He's as dead as a door nail in the prime verse. So when in his prime time line could he come from to cross over to the AltVerse?

Only in the sense a new universe was created at the point of the time travelers' arrival. Branching time line, many worlds,,, just like the writers and the characters in the film have said since 2009.

Indeed. In my personal continuity, I prefer to think it was an already existing parallel universe to explain why Pike, Kirk, etc look physically different.

 

[BillJ]

Indeed. In my personal continuity, I prefer to think it was an already existing parallel universe to explain why Pike, Kirk, etc look physically different.

In universe, they look exactly the same. Which is why Spock Prime is able to recognize Kirk in the cave.

 

[fireproof78]

Hey in the 2009 movie Current TOS Spock meets his younger new Spock yet nothing bad seems to happen with two versions of the same person meeting in the same place.

That's not time travel so much as universe hopping isn't it?

Does that mean if we did the right kind of maneuvers we could have new Kirk meet TOS Kirk?

Does the TOS universe even exist?

It seemed like both time travel and universe hopping simultaneously. They arrived in the 23rd century of an alternate universe. Not sure how prime Kirk could appear. He's as dead as a door nail in the prime verse. So when in his prime time line could he come from to cross over to the AltVerse?

Only in the sense a new universe was created at the point of the time travelers' arrival. Branching time line, many worlds,,, just like the writers and the characters in the film have said since 2009.

Illustrated by both Parallels and STO's Star Trek Time Line.