So, they basically took the premise of a Big Finish audio, and made it canon, since the original version wasn't canon. I'm not saying Big Finish hasn't done good or even great stories, just that they don't count as canon.
If they wanted to make it canon the way
you say they should have, they wouldn't have done an alternate Earth scenario. They did that, instead, in order to preserve the original story, which
is canon, whether you like idea that the BF stuff is canon or not.
Inspiring a story, like I say above, actually hurts the "BF is canon" argument. They can inspire episodes of the show, but they aren't part of the show. I could see that.
They inspire a story, in the same way that David FIsher's draft of City of Death inspired Douglas Adams' version.
You're using double standards in a clear-cut situation.
That's normal tie-in oversight, it doesn't make the stories canon. The BBC just doesn't want BF to step on the toes of the TV show, or release a story it doesn't think should be associated with the show.
No, it means it will be releasing non canon tie in stories until 2020.
It means BF will be releasing canonical material relating to all the Doctors, material that won't get ignored by the show any time soon.
We don't know where Mel is from, we never see how she met the Doctor.
Well, she is from Pease Pottage, West Sussex.
As per
The Wrong Doctors, a story where the Trial Six and the Blue Coat Six meet.
We don't know how long they were traveling before Terror of the Vervoids. I guess, thinking back, they did say that Terror of the Vervoids took place in the Doctor's future. So, I guess I have to rearrange my timeline
Do whatever you want. The fact of the matter is, BF set the record straight, by maintaining Mel is his future, last companion before regenerating. They've not shown them how they met yet, but even so, their relationship is certainly expanded in a meaningful way that it matters.
The Ultimate Foe to Terror of the Vervoids (the events shown in the courtroom obviously, not the courtroom scenes themselves) to Time and the Rani. We have no idea how Mel met The Doctor, and it can't fit anywhere. So, the way I figure it, The Doctor must not have gone directly from the events shown in Mindwarp to the courtroom. He must have had an adventure where he met Mel in between, otherwise nothing makes sense, even though it was clearly supposed to be him going directly from Mindwarp to the courtroom. Then, when he was brought to the courtroom, he forgot the events of both Mindwarp and meeting Mel (we know he forgot Mindwarp), meaning that from his perspective, she was from his "future", even if he'd already met her and just couldn't remember. The writers couldn't fix the meeting Mel thing since Colin was fired before we saw him meeting mel, so the way I've laid out events is the only way I can see it happening, if we just go by on screen, canon sources.
If we go by canon, Six dropped future Mel off to future Six, and went on with his travels. But not before accidentally bumping into his blue-coat future self (which is before future Mel's DOctor's time, of course).
Otherwise, you're right. Part of the fun with BF is that fill in the blanks in many of these cases, which is very satisfying.
I can point to, for example, several Trek fan films that use the original actors, and that doesn't make them canon with anything.
Thats not even remotely similar a situation. These aren't professional enterprises that officially and by law use BBC's licence. They're
fan-films, by their very definition. BF is a business venture, not a gathering of fanboys who have nothing to do in their free time.
No, they didn't. They had almost certainly one, I'll give you that, but I can't see him having more than one, and there is no canon story to fit in there.
You're just being stubborn for the sake of it. Even if you ignore BF, its certain they had several travels together before Six's regeneration.
Apparently all he does is get a stupid blue coat and become the 5th Doctor.
Did you actually listen to a single Sixth Doctor audio? How the heck did you get that idea? He's still opinionated and verbose as ever, he's just not an asshole. He
progressed in his characterization, just like 23 did just that for him.
He's my favorite Doctor because of the real, in canon stories he was in. Toning him down for the people who were upset that he wasn't Peter Davidson, and that refused to look past his coat, just makes BF jerks.
Jerks?
Colin Baker dictated and agreed to Six's development. You're not giving him any credit at all. And the blue coat wasn't on for a long time - he's largely wearing that stupid rainbow coat of his nowadays anyway.
And its Peter Davison, thank you very much.
I mean, I guess selling out and ruining the 6th Doctor was the only way to make him more acceptable to the people who hated his era, but as a fan of the real version, its the big reason I've gone from just ignoring and not caring about BF to borderline hating them.
Thats just about the stupidest reason I've ever read.
So, instead of finding out whether these claims are right, you'll just pout and pout? Man, you're no fun.
The real sixth doctor is an irritable timelord in a colorful coat who got two seasons worth of adventures. Big Finish's 6th-in-name-only is basically giving a big middle finger to people who like the real 6th Doctor, and I'd probably be more angry if the stories were remotely canon, which they aren't. The original, televised 6th Doctor still the only canon version.
I guess you should be angry, because they are canon. Colin Baker, who isn't shy from admitting he still likes the majority of his TV stories, is very proud of his work with BF, and the development that Old Sixie had received.
As far as the Sixth Doctor goes, Big Finish really did work on him the way Baker wanted to have been, and given him stories that are worthy of his time and effort. And I'm not kidding - you are missing out. Just pick up the Last Adventure set, and you won't regret it.
I guess after Ace finally left him after all the mental torture, he probably got lonely. She's just lucky he didn't kill her, which would have been my guess about how their relationship ended if an episode of the SJ Adventures hadn't confirmed Ace being alive and well.
BF also hadn't explored Ace's fate so far. Looking forward to that, when it comes.
Actually the plan for Ace was that she would leave the Doctor in the 27th season to become a Time Lady. Strange thogh how you keep talking about you think Ace was torturedby the Doctor, it was the ninth Doctor who made Amy get medical help for her imaginary friend.
Actually, the Eleventh Doctor.
Oh, it was obviously Moffat's intent to reference BF. But, until we see them on screen, all we know from an in universe perspective is that the 8th Doctor knew some people who coincidentally had the same names of a few BF characters.
From an in-universe perspective, those adventures had already occured, the audience experienced them, and know perfectly well to what that Doctor is referring to. You're just stubborn because you hate BF for the stupidest reason possible.
I don't even know what this means. There is no reason for the names Charley and C'rizz to have any connection outside of Big Finish, or for C'rizz's name to be unique, so it means nothing when it comes to canon. I already said Moffat obviously took the names from BF, we just have no way of knowing, in canon, who the names are attached to and what relationships they had with The Doctor.
Whatever. Once again, employing double standards to satisfy your own hyperbole arguments, which aren't convincing to the least.
Because it really is so simple: Moffat meant to reference those very characters from Big Finish, and did just that. Thus, for NuWho,
at least the adventures of the Eighth Doctor as per BF occurred for sure.
Denial is not a river in Egypt, you know.