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Fear the Walking Dead Season 1 discussion and spoilers.

Madison hasn't really had much time to tell the daughter yet. Remember she just got home from the school when the episode ended. Barely enough time for her to wash the coat and process for herself what she'd done. I am guessing she'll sit the daughter down in the next episode and fill her in to some degree.
 
Given the somewhat shocked state she was in, I can't really see the mother delivering an explanation even half that measured and well thought-out.

I mean let's not forget she just got done bashing someone's head in for the first time ever, who she always considered a friend.
 
I'm liking this show a helluva lot more than The Walking Dead so far. The zombies are actually a threat, none of this stab one in the eye with a pencil and done bullshit. These are fresh and require a little more effort. The sense of dread seems to be continuing in the second episode and I hope it continues.

I'm wondering if maybe the downfall of Los Angeles is happening too quick, though. Once LA falls, it'll just be the regular Walking Dead in LA. I'm liking it better as the "We don't know what the fuck is going on" show it is now.
 
I'm liking this show a helluva lot more than The Walking Dead so far.

Thank you, a voice of reason!:techman:
Also I find almost every character more likeable and interesting than Rick's folks (one or two exceptions...). And druggie-son might be my favourite, take that internet!:p
 
Shot dead and confirmed by their drugged out son? Yeah. I'd trust his take on things. All they saw was the drug dealer walking toward them looking pretty fucked up. For all they knew, and would most likely think, their son only thought he killed the dealer.

They saw the truck speed in reverse and slam into the dead man...only for that dead man to move again--but unlike any normal human, this man made no noise, no screams of pain. There's nothing in their collective life experiences that would be able to explain that.

Add that to the unrest around the city, knife kid's need for a knife, an unusual number of school absences...that's no illness at work, and no known disease makes a shot and vehicle-hit man move again.


Maybe, but it's been my experience dealing with teenagers that you could strap 'em to a chair and show them raw footage of an event in widescreen and in Surroundsound and they'd still deny it happened if it didn't fit their worldview. The girl is just as likely to react this way: "Well, maybe that's happening but it won't happen to him cause he's MY boy-frieeend! UGH! Eyeroll!"

Yeah, some teens can be that thick-skulled. Still, better to share information than have her endanger the group by making decisions based on a belief that the old world norms remain.

Easier to just bump her off.

Not only will she be the last character standing, but she will develop a need to sing such global hits as "Struggling Man," "The Parting Glass," and "Be Good." Oh, but she just be lip syncing to Emily Kinney's eternal versions.

I'm not questioning the realism of the portrayal. You're absolutely right. There are just as many jump-to-conclusion types here in New Yawk. What I'm saying here is that acted or in real life, the action itself is asinine. You immediately decide that the cop with the gun has no side in the issue. He's simply wrong, so you vilify him and rally the mob. And in this particular case it's a hundred times worse, because the cops have a pretty compelling side to this story:

1. Infected dead homeless guy attacks cop.

2. Cop draws weapon and does what every cop in America is trained to do: fire into the target's torso to stop his advance.

3. Cop pees himself and empties the clip when he realizes doing what he's trained to do doesn't work. Infected dead homeless guy falls, momentarily stunned.

4. Infected dead homeless guy gets up again, attacks again, and cop and all his buddies empty their clips until somebody gets a lucky headshot.

5. Bystanders only see the last head shot. Idiots among the bystanders start a protest.

And yes, I have the benefit of being an omniscient observer in this scenario, but I also have the benefit of enough intelligence to wonder exactly what's really going on before I participate in a lynching.

If they react to that, imagine what's going to happen when the military gets screwy with civilians. One of the previews seemed to indicate that.

I'm sticking with Knife Kid. He's "Carol."

Wonder Carol would shut down the L.A. plague inside of 48 hours, then scare the junkie boy clean in seconds. ;)
 
Knife Kid is on his game. Knife Kid has a knife. (Ain't a great knife, but He's got one!) Knife Kid is stocking up!

But they left the school without the supplies. I found that kind of odd, considering the big deal they made out of it.
 
Knife Kid is on his game. Knife Kid has a knife. (Ain't a great knife, but He's got one!) Knife Kid is stocking up! Knife Kid's observing the threat and taking notes. Knife Kid is a survivor. I want to see more of him.

Somehow I get the feeling that this was really his goodbye, and that we aren't going to see him again. He has pretty much served his purpose, which was to aid in giving Madison a reality check. That kind of character can't really be maintained on this kind of show.

If you're right, that would suck. I gotta have one character I don't want dead.
 
I'm liking this show a helluva lot more than The Walking Dead so far. The zombies are actually a threat, none of this stab one in the eye with a pencil and done bullshit. These are fresh and require a little more effort. The sense of dread seems to be continuing in the second episode and I hope it continues.

I'm wondering if maybe the downfall of Los Angeles is happening too quick, though. Once LA falls, it'll just be the regular Walking Dead in LA. I'm liking it better as the "We don't know what the fuck is going on" show it is now.

Yeah I have to agree about the zombies seeming to be a lot more threatening and hard to kill. You get the impression even if someone did have a samurai sword on this show, it would take more than just one of Michonne's casual, one-handed swings to take them down.

And I suspect we still have a ways to go before it becomes a Walking Dead: LA. Panic might be starting to set in, but it's still only random zombies popping up here and there, and it seems like quite a while before we'll see huge groups of walkers roaming the streets or anything.
 
For those wanting a way to waste some hours watching zombies proliferate, and if you have an android phone, lookup the pixel zombies live wallpaper. It's mesmerizing.
 
Yeah I have to agree about the zombies seeming to be a lot more threatening and hard to kill. You get the impression even if someone did have a samurai sword on this show, it would take more than just one of Michonne's casual, one-handed swings to take them down.

I'm not sure. Merle was a very fresh zombie when put down by Daryl. The only thing that stretched it out was Daryl's anguish, but it was not too difficult. Even Andrea--after being bitten by fresh zombie Milton--still killed him with no apparent effort.

And I suspect we still have a ways to go before it becomes a Walking Dead: LA. Panic might be starting to set in, but it's still only random zombies popping up here and there, and it seems like quite a while before we'll see huge groups of walkers roaming the streets or anything.
On average, how many people die in Los Angeles every day? How many are immediately recovered by hospitals or coroners? How many simply die far from discovery?

According to a 2011 study from the Los Angeles County Department of Public Health...

In 2011, there were 57,988 deaths in LA County, and the death rate was 596 per 100,000 population.

On an average day in the county, 159 people died...
Add in the ZA disease, and how many get up and attack before the arrival of EMTs, attending staff in the hospital, or are officially handled at all? The ZA changes the entire game of the spread of threats. To the uninformed, one fresh (still appearing alive) zombie could do significant damage to anyone it comes across.
 
I'm not sure. Merle was a very fresh zombie when put down by Daryl. The only thing that stretched it out was Daryl's anguish, but it was not too difficult. Even Andrea--after being bitten by fresh zombie Milton--still killed him with no apparent effort.

Maybe, but the impression I get from the first two episodes is that they still want to depict these zombies in a much more formidable way, as something that takes a lot more effort to kill.

Of course the fact our characters still haven't chosen to arm themselves in any real way probably helps with that quite a bit. :p
 
I don't know what to make of this show yet. So much angst and stupidity so far. I'm going to keep watching though. I'm interested to see what is going on in "The Desert"
 
Go along with sojourner's "Survivability Index."

On a 1-10 scale, 10 being best.

The Mom (Madison?): Right now I'd say flirting with a 7. She seems to already be grasping the horrors and realities of this world and gave us our first, real, direct zombie-kill; with an over-kill bonus using an improvised weapon. Part of her does seem to be holding on to reality (my reasoning for not telling her daughter) but she seems like she's going to be the first one to convince people what they need to do in order to survive all of this. To liken her to a primary series character I'm going to go with Shane (minus being crazy and directly murderous.) She knows the tough choices now that have to be made. (Like Shane being against rescuing those trapped at the Atlanta department store when they didn't return. Beating Ed for abusing Carol, trying to keep everyone secure and in survival mode.)

The Dad (Travis): I'm going to go with a 5 right now, we've not seen too much of him yet, but I'd liken him to a S1 or S2 Rick. He's probably still got some optimism in him and what it takes to improvise his way into safety but in the long run his want to do good is probably going to potentially cause more harm than good. Rick's decisions in the first two seasons were "morally" good, but arguably potentially dangerous for the group. His heart was in the right place but not his head, by the end of S2 it hits him on what it takes to be in this new world.

This is the arc I see Travis being on. Driving across town to save his estranged family seems like a "Rick" thing, pleading to be let into the barber shop has echoes of the CDC. He may be on the same arc precisely and his darker side will kick in but I think we'll see a Madisontatorship before we see a Travistatorship.

The Daughter (Alicia?): Right now she's low. Maybe a 3. She's young, illl-informed and unaware, but she needs to smarten up quick on what's going on. Hell, just some plain-old every-day smarts would do her some good. Just because you see your neighbor across the street being attacked doesn't mean you saunter you 98-lb frame over there to help, what could you possibly do? You'd only make yourself another victim. Long-term, I'd see her on a similar arc to Beth. Her head's never going to be quite in the game until it crashes down on her and she snaps on what it's now going to take to survive.

The Son (Nick): A 1. His druggie habits and detoxing isn't going to do him any favors, he's going to get himself into trouble at some point just looking for another score. He's only survived to this point by some level of luck and with help from others. He's stumbling through this whole thing so-far and he's going to need to wisen up quick.

Acne Kid (Tobias): From stuff I've seen, it's unlikely we'll see him again but let's hope that doesn't turn out to be true and if he doesn't return this season he will next season. Either way, I'd probably give him a 6. Only because he saw this coming and seemed to be preparing for it. I think he has the craftiness to get through it without needing to do the physical too much, his resourcefulness will do him a lot of favors and once he gets a better knife/weapon and knows to go for the brain he should do well. His resourcefulness makes him a lot like Glenn. Best of luck to you, Acne Kid. May you score a girl who'd be way out of your league had it not been for the apocalypse.

Barber Shop Owner: No way of knowing if he's a regular character or not, but on the face of it I'm going to go with him being a "moral center" for the series or any group he ends up with. This gives him a survival index of 2 because he's only going to survive as much as any group is willing to protect him. Likening him to Dale or Herschel. Both did what they had to when they needed to, but both only lasted as long as they did because of who they were with.

Estranged Wife: Maybe a 3. I'd liken her to Andrea, she may in the long-haul be able to survive with some practical skills but her want for "normality" may be her downfall as she naively goes for whatever is the easiest route even if it could mean her downfall. She had the good sense to listen to Travis for the most part but still seems like she'd "turn down a friend for a warm bed."

Estranged Son: A 2. Someone else whose head isn't int he game yet and his "parents are so harsh, man!" attitude will be his downfall. If he's able to overcome this and do what has to be done he may get to be a 4, but barely. Again, to liken him to a primary series character I'd say Carl.

Now, Carl certainly is a survivor and makes tough decisions but he's also impulsive and in the first episode of the back-half of the last season we see how he really is on his own and he struggles and ends up in an emotional break-down towards his father (thinking Rick had died in his sleep and turned. Carl begins to give-in to be eaten/turned.) He's only going to be as strong as those he's around and even then only if he wants to prove how big he thinks his dick is.

On his own he'd struggle unless, again, he wisens up quickly and even Carl hasn't completely done that even *after* his breakdown while out on his own for a day and nearly being raped.
 
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It better get better than this. (& I shouldn't have to say that about a premier of a tv show. If it were any other show, it would never get off the ground on this start). They should have thrown GOBS of money at this thing, with how well TWD does. So lets see it
 
Knife Kid is on his game. Knife Kid has a knife. (Ain't a great knife, but He's got one!) Knife Kid is stocking up! Knife Kid's observing the threat and taking notes. Knife Kid is a survivor. I want to see more of him.

Somehow I get the feeling that this was really his goodbye, and that we aren't going to see him again. He has pretty much served his purpose, which was to aid in giving Madison a reality check. That kind of character can't really be maintained on this kind of show.

I too think we will not see him later this season (I.e. in the next 4 episodes), but I think with the newfound popularity he's getting, we'll definitely see Tobias next season.

He might actually be the reason why Madison and her group survives -- he recognizes her, and vouches for her. It'd be really nice if he mentions how he goes back to the school & retrieves the food they took, and how that food helps him get some allies.

Also, someone wrote an article theorizing that Tobias could be the next Morgan.

I am hopeful we'll see him again, and provide something significant when he returns.
 
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