If Star Trek Beyond fails

[Sindatur]

Does anyone know if they have been preserving sets etc between movies? If they start preserving all their properties, as they use to do before the Big Sell Off, that will give me hope for the future.

If Engineering is shown, it will probably be different, as the Brewery is in the States. But, I would imagine they have the rest of the ship the last we saw of it. (Unless it's cheaper to rebuild, than to transport)

 

[Crazy Eddie]

Does anyone know if they have been preserving sets etc between movies? If they start preserving all their properties, as they use to do before the Big Sell Off, that will give me hope for the future.

If Engineering is shown, it will probably be different, as the Brewery is in the States. But, I would imagine they have the rest of the ship the last we saw of it. (Unless it's cheaper to rebuild, than to transport)

Well STID used the National Ignition Laboratory as its main engineering set, so already we got some subtle changes in the interior. Further changes can be just as well explained by the ship having been overhauled after Vengeance tore her a new asshole.

* crossing fingers for the Large Hadron Collider"

 

[Smellmet]

I should start by saying I know nothing but am making semi-educated guesses based on historical box office patterns.

It'll all come down to what the opening weekend in North America ends up taking.

ST09 and STiD had multipliers of 3.2 so if STB opens to $90m, it'll end up around $288m in North America. If it opens to $80m, it'll end up around $256m.

Of course we don't know the budget yet and won't know the box office figures until well after it's release.

We can take an educated guess on the budget.

I think $130m at the low end, up to $170m at the high end.

If we split the difference, it'll be around $150m, before tax rebates of 49% from Canada & British Columbia.

Given recent reports, the budget sounds like it's back in healthy blockbuster territory, although not the bloated $190m for STiD.

With a decent script and a hot director, it should make $250m in North America.

Given the international market contributed 33% of ST09's box office, 52% of STiD's box office, we can extrapolate and say STB might have 55% to 60% of it's box office share from international receipts. The international box office contribution could be even higher but let's not get carried away yet.

So with roughly $250m in N.A., the total box office could be anywhere from about $555m to $625m.

Personally, I am predicting it'll end up even higher in N.A., say around $275m and take around $650m world-wide.

A 'massive' hit?

No but it'll be a step in the right direction and sets up the 4th new movie nicely.

Again, it'll all come down to the opening weekend in North America.

Reasonably sound logic, In line with my realistic hopes without a doubt. Let's hope. As long as we see at least 500mil it'll be ok for a fourth.

 

[F. King Daniel]

Does anyone know if they have been preserving sets etc between movies? If they start preserving all their properties, as they use to do before the Big Sell Off, that will give me hope for the future.

If Engineering is shown, it will probably be different, as the Brewery is in the States. But, I would imagine they have the rest of the ship the last we saw of it. (Unless it's cheaper to rebuild, than to transport)

According to Trekmovie, they built new sets for STB, since the cost of repainting (after their Vengeance transformation) and shipping to Vancouver was prohibitive. But from the recent charity videos, it looks like the new sets are virtually identical to the old.

Worth pointing out that they have a CG brewery from the Into Darkness falling sequence. If there's nothing g major happening in engineering in Beyond, they may just stick that in the background. Or just use a similar setting in Vancouver or Dubai.

 

[martok2112]

...

Yeah.... had the same thing happen to me with Battlestar Galactica. I enjoyed both shows, and some of the hardcore TOSser's (who had waited some 30 years for a continuation movie with the original cast, and then felt completely dejected--to put it mildly--when the continuation got shitcanned after 9/11, and done over via Ron Moore's version) tried to tell me: "NO! You cannot support both! You have to pick a side! And you have to support the right side!"

Really? You, the overzealous fanboys dwelling in your mothers' basements think you have the right to tell me what I can and cannot like?!

Again, granted, that's a vocally minor (very minor) few, but their delusions scream insanity.

Star Trek's fanbase is even more divisive and spiteful when it comes to the haterade.

So....my thinking became: "Oh! So in order for me to be a fan, I have to be just like you? Well, fandom can kiss my fucking ass if you are the cream of the crop then." Broken away from that bondage, I am free to enjoy whatever I wish, and fuck the rest.

So, thanks to the deluded vocally hateful few for ruining what used to be a fun thing.

You concede whatever moral high ground you might once have held when you resort to name-calling and nasty insinuations, martok2112, and I'm pretty sure I've asked you before to refrain from doing that. Let's confine discussion, as much as possible, to talking about the movies, the actors, the production crew, the scripts, etc., and leave out talking about fans and fandom altogether if it's only going to be to badmouth them.

Give it a try.

My apologies, wholeheartedly.

(Got any ketchup for my pride? It goes great with foot.)

 

[chardman]

Darkness was so bad, it will have put a lot of casual Trek watchers off. I can see Beyond struggling to around $400m box office worldwide.

I think we might be at the point where diminishing returns will start to kick in.

Spoiler: You've probably seen this before

Spoiler: It's the same gif chardman has been using for at least six or seven years

Spoiler: when he doesn't actually have anything of value to contribute

 

[SeerSGB]

Does anyone know if they have been preserving sets etc between movies? If they start preserving all their properties, as they use to do before the Big Sell Off, that will give me hope for the future.

If Engineering is shown, it will probably be different, as the Brewery is in the States. But, I would imagine they have the rest of the ship the last we saw of it. (Unless it's cheaper to rebuild, than to transport)

According to Trekmovie, they built new sets for STB, since the cost of repainting (after their Vengeance transformation) and shipping to Vancouver was prohibitive. But from the recent charity videos, it looks like the new sets are virtually identical to the old.

Worth pointing out that they have a CG brewery from the Into Darkness falling sequence. If there's nothing g major happening in engineering in Beyond, they may just stick that in the background. Or just use a similar setting in Vancouver or Dubai.

Brewgineering is the only thing I can't really enjoy in the new movies. The ignition facility warp reactor was a nice change. Death to brewgineering.

http://www.trekbbs.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

 

[Nerys Myk]

 

[BillJ]

Brewgineering is the only thing I can't really enjoy in the new movies. The ignition facility warp reactor was a nice change. Death to brewgineering.

Why do you want to make it harder on Scotty to get alcohol?

 

[Greg Cox]

Brewgineering is the only thing I can't really enjoy in the new movies. The ignition facility warp reactor was a nice change. Death to brewgineering.

Why do you want to make it harder on Scotty to get alcohol?

There's an old Trek novel by D.C. Fontana in which Scotty secretly installs a still in Engineering . . . and produces the best hooch in Starfleet!

 

[Peach Wookiee]

^More cracks about James T. Perfecthair.

 

[SeerSGB]

Brewgineering is the only thing I can't really enjoy in the new movies. The ignition facility warp reactor was a nice change. Death to brewgineering.

Why do you want to make it harder on Scotty to get alcohol?

There's an old Trek novel by D.C. Fontana in which Scotty secretly installs a still in Engineering . . . and produces the best hooch in Starfleet!

Vulcan's Glory, I think it is. Always loved that little bit in the book cause it seemed so in character.

http://www.trekbbs.com//www.pinterest.com/pin/create/extension/

 

[DaveyNY]

First of all. I am not hoping this film DOES NOT fail. I really want this film to do great and save me from the comic book film fatigue but Heavens for bid, If this film fails or bombs at the box office do you think they will go ahead with star trek 4 since the actors are already signed up for it or they would just reboot like Spiderman.

You had it right the first time...

"I am not hoping this film fails"
Means you want it to succeed.

"I am NOT hoping this film DOES NOT fail"
Means you want it to fail.

A double negative is a positive in English.

Just sayin'...

 

[Therin of Andor]

To look at this purely as a numbers game...

• 100 fans in a room at the Vegas convention last year called Into Darkness a failure.

IIRC, it was at the end of a panel about why JJ Abrams' movies were terrible. People who liked his films wouldn't have been reprsented.

 

[DaveyNY]

You've never seen Miss Piggy's rider.

I saw Kermit once with a saddle in his hands, heading for her dressing room...

 

[Therin of Andor]

Vulcan's Glory, I think it is. Always loved that little bit in the book cause it seemed so in character.

Also Heather McConel, Scotty's assistant in "The Klingon Gambit" and "Mutiny on the Enterprise".

 

[The Wormhole]

To look at this purely as a numbers game...

• 100 fans in a room at the Vegas convention last year called Into Darkness a failure.

IIRC, it was at the end of a panel about why JJ Abrams' movies were terrible. People who liked his films wouldn't have been reprsented.

Actually, although it wasn't last year, I think Campe98 is referring to the convention in 2013 which was asked to rank all the Trek films from best to worst, and they listed STID last. Also known among fandom for Simon Pegg responding with "fuck off."

 

[Campe]

To look at this purely as a numbers game...

• 100 fans in a room at the Vegas convention last year called Into Darkness a failure.

IIRC, it was at the end of a panel about why JJ Abrams' movies were terrible. People who liked his films wouldn't have been reprsented.

That'd be interesting as Trek 2009 came in 6th. Not saying not possible, just making an observation.

(http://birthmoviesdeath.com/2013/08/11/the-star-trek-movies-as-ranked-by-star-trek-con-goers

Sorry, had a dead link above and I'm on my phone and any time I try to do the link shortcut, it crashes my browser.)

 

[Greg Cox]

To look at this purely as a numbers game...

• 100 fans in a room at the Vegas convention last year called Into Darkness a failure.

IIRC, it was at the end of a panel about why JJ Abrams' movies were terrible. People who liked his films wouldn't have been reprsented.

Drove me nuts when the mainstream media picked up on that insignificant poll and treated it like it actually meant anything. Heck, a mere 100 fans was only a fraction of the attendance at that particular convention, let alone worldwide.

 

[Phantom]

^Ah yes, the standard "it's just a few fanboys" dodge...