Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
There's some serious nerd card recall going on in this thread right now
There's some serious nerd card recall going on in this thread right now
Reasons to be happy / not happy about a 4th film.
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Wait. Was it an Enterprise episode or a Voyager episode? Now I'm totally lost.
To be fair, the latter-day shows did have their fair share of memorable titles: "The Best of Both Worlds," "Measure of a Man," "Yesterday's Enterprise," "The Inner Light," "A Fistful of Datas," "Little Green Men," "Our Man Bashir," "In the Pale Moonlight," "House of Quark," etc.
Wait. Was it an Enterprise episode or a Voyager episode? Now I'm totally lost.
To be fair, the latter-day shows did have their fair share of memorable titles: "The Best of Both Worlds," "Measure of a Man," "Yesterday's Enterprise," "The Inner Light," "A Fistful of Datas," "Little Green Men," "Our Man Bashir," "In the Pale Moonlight," "House of Quark," etc.
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
I think I know, maybe, 4 Voyager episode titles at most.
I think I know, maybe, 4 Voyager episode titles at most.
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Sorry about that, I was replying to an earlier post about "Cathexis" being a VOY episode, which was largely forgetable.
But as for episode titles do we tend to remember the best and worse a show has to offer? Average after all can be forgetable as there was nothing to make it stand out in one or the other.
On the otherhand can a memorable title make us remember an average episode?
B5 had some interesting titles.
I think I could name a few more
but my memory for remembering titles isn't what it was once. Remembering a couple of hundred vs 700+ by the time ENT finished. Not to mention other shows.
Sorry about that, I was replying to an earlier post about "Cathexis" being a VOY episode, which was largely forgetable.
But as for episode titles do we tend to remember the best and worse a show has to offer? Average after all can be forgetable as there was nothing to make it stand out in one or the other.
On the otherhand can a memorable title make us remember an average episode?
B5 had some interesting titles.
I think I could name a few more
but my memory for remembering titles isn't what it was once. Remembering a couple of hundred vs 700+ by the time ENT finished. Not to mention other shows.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
"Move Along Home"
Yes! Or a below-average episode!
"For the World Is Hollow and I Have Touched the Sky"
"Let That Be Your Last Battlefield"
"Move Along Home"
Yes! Or a below-average episode!
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
You'd think someone in a nerd discussion on a nerd site would have looked it up in Memory Alpha by now instead of all these guesses. It's going to give nerds a bad name... oh, wait...
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You'd think someone in a nerd discussion on a nerd site would have looked it up in Memory Alpha by now instead of all these guesses. It's going to give nerds a bad name... oh, wait...
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Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
That's part of it too. I know every episode title from TOS and much of TNG, but after that it gets iffy.
Sorry about that, I was replying to an earlier post about "Cathexis" being a VOY episode, which was largely forgetable.
But as for episode titles do we tend to remember the best and worse a show has to offer? Average after all can be forgetable as there was nothing to make it stand out in one or the other.
On the otherhand can a memorable title make us remember an average episode?
B5 had some interesting titles.
I think I could name a few more
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Not even with years of therapy...
Granted, a memorable title is no guarantee of quality.
Who among us can forget "Spock's Brain"?
Not even with years of therapy...
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
And sometimes the title is memorable *because* of how bad it was. "Spock's Brain" might be an example, but I'm thinking "Threshold" is a better one, because the name is so mundane that there's no way I'd remember it if the episode hadn't been so. frakking. awful.Granted, a memorable title is no guarantee of quality.
Who among us can forget "Spock's Brain"?
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
Basically 2 groups, those that either dont want a 4th movie, or care little or none for this alternate rubbish
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
Allow me.
Basically 2 groups, those that either dont want a 4th movie, or care little or none for this alternate rubbish
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
With digressions into such general topics as sequel numbering, the marketing of long-running series, the pros and cons of reboots, and how the new APES movies compare to the previous ones ....
And I surely mentioned vampires at some point . . .
Allow me.
Basically 2 groups, those that either dont want a 4th movie, or care little or none for this alternate rubbish
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
With digressions into such general topics as sequel numbering, the marketing of long-running series, the pros and cons of reboots, and how the new APES movies compare to the previous ones ....
And I surely mentioned vampires at some point . . .
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But that really isn't it. The first group is in a constant state of denial and misrepresentation regarding these films.
I don't need to go shit in the Enterprise and Voyager forums or some novel series threads because I dislike them. I know that I dislike them, can state that I dislike them without disparaging the people involved in making them and move on.
Some people act like their entire lives revolve around Star Trek and if they get a product they dislike, they need to make sure that everyone knows for all eternity how dumb the films are and how Paramount screwed them.
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
But that really isn't it. The first group is in a constant state of denial and misrepresentation regarding these films.
I don't need to go shit in the Enterprise and Voyager forums or some novel series threads because I dislike them. I know that I dislike them, can state that I dislike them without disparaging the people involved in making them and move on.
Some people act like their entire lives revolve around Star Trek and if they get a product they dislike, they need to make sure that everyone knows for all eternity how dumb the films are and how Paramount screwed them.
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The general lack of any sense of humor among the pro abrams fans is very disappointing, it is almost like any negative comments are taken as personal and deadly serious.
Way I see it people can moan and dislike things i like and i wont get negative, defensive etc, afterall the thing is once you enjoy the product why care if others dont like it.
And secondly if we all agreed on everything it would make for a poorer forum.
The general lack of any sense of humor among the pro abrams fans is very disappointing, it is almost like any negative comments are taken as personal and deadly serious.
Way I see it people can moan and dislike things i like and i wont get negative, defensive etc, afterall the thing is once you enjoy the product why care if others dont like it.
And secondly if we all agreed on everything it would make for a poorer forum.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
After six years, it has become a tiresome reality however. I wish more folks had a sense of humor about these things. But when you look around the interwebs, you see many of these folks are deadly serious (some of the Facebook stuff would blow your mind). I wish Trek was as all-inclusive as many of its fans claim it to be.
After six years, it has become a tiresome reality however. I wish more folks had a sense of humor about these things. But when you look around the interwebs, you see many of these folks are deadly serious (some of the Facebook stuff would blow your mind). I wish Trek was as all-inclusive as many of its fans claim it to be.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
On the other hand, let's be honest here. Are you really that surprised that some fans see phrases like "alternate rubbish" as fighting words?
On a STAR TREK message board? In the "Movies X+" forum?
If you swung by, say, the Voyager forum and dismissed the entire series as "rubbish," I suspect you would provoke a similar response!
Allow me.
Basically 2 groups, those that either dont want a 4th movie, or care little or none for this alternate rubbish
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
On the other hand, let's be honest here. Are you really that surprised that some fans see phrases like "alternate rubbish" as fighting words?
On a STAR TREK message board? In the "Movies X+" forum?
If you swung by, say, the Voyager forum and dismissed the entire series as "rubbish," I suspect you would provoke a similar response!
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
As with many things there are aspects I like about the new films and aspects I don't. At the end of the day they fufilled their main criteria of any entertainment product which is to entertain. I preferred ST09 to STID, which I felt could just as easily have worked if the villian wasn't Khan they could have had Harrison be another genetically engineered superman who fled Earth. In TWOK Khan wanted his revenge against Kirk, in STID it was more against Marcus with Kirk and Co caught in the middle. Sure initally Kirk took the mission to get revenge for Khan killing Pike.
However is their a difference between critisim and bashing, i.e my critisim of STID and bashing by going into a forum and saying I hate these fil and ms. ST whether we like it or not has to move somewhat with the times. Up until ST09 it had never really performed well at the box office making a modest profit at best and not making any real impact at the box office outside of the English speaking countries.
As for the TV the audiance dwindled, sure there are many factors at work but could perhaps be one of them they were putting out more or less the same product in the noughties as they had in the eighties? When tastes had moved on?
As with many things there are aspects I like about the new films and aspects I don't. At the end of the day they fufilled their main criteria of any entertainment product which is to entertain. I preferred ST09 to STID, which I felt could just as easily have worked if the villian wasn't Khan they could have had Harrison be another genetically engineered superman who fled Earth. In TWOK Khan wanted his revenge against Kirk, in STID it was more against Marcus with Kirk and Co caught in the middle. Sure initally Kirk took the mission to get revenge for Khan killing Pike.
However is their a difference between critisim and bashing, i.e my critisim of STID and bashing by going into a forum and saying I hate these fil and ms. ST whether we like it or not has to move somewhat with the times. Up until ST09 it had never really performed well at the box office making a modest profit at best and not making any real impact at the box office outside of the English speaking countries.
As for the TV the audiance dwindled, sure there are many factors at work but could perhaps be one of them they were putting out more or less the same product in the noughties as they had in the eighties? When tastes had moved on?
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Exactly. Going to a forum with the purpose of disparaging the subject of that forum and its fans is petty and juvenile. Calling it "humor" doubly so.
Allow me.
Basically 2 groups, those that either dont want a 4th movie, or care little or none for this alternate rubbish
And the second group is those that are upset with the first group for daring to have an opinion
On the other hand, let's be honest here. Are you really that surprised that some fans see phrases like "alternate rubbish" as fighting words?
On a STAR TREK message board? In the "Movies X+" forum?
If you swung by, say, the Voyager forum and dismissed the entire series as "rubbish," I suspect you would provoke a similar response!
Exactly. Going to a forum with the purpose of disparaging the subject of that forum and its fans is petty and juvenile. Calling it "humor" doubly so.
Re: Reason why I am not happy for a 4th film.
I see the argument all the time that says that by Voyager people were tired of the same thing from TNG, over and over. But I think there's a lot of us that would have been just fine with *that*, we just weren't fine with a TNG substitute with all the quality and flavor sucked out.
Oh, it wasn't the same product. Don't get me wrong, you have a point - it was definitely the same *formula*, and that probably could have used updating, too. But more importantly, in my opinion, they had fouled the ingredients being used in the existing formula that had worked well before: stale lazy writing, phoned-in acting and sometimes even phoned-in direction, and what innovation had been in the shows went away. I refuse, for just one instance, to believe that TNG would have left Harry Kim an ensign for 7 years. Admittedly, TNG did hit the reset button for things that happened in previous episodes fairly regularly, but they *did* progress the characters from season to season, at least!
I see the argument all the time that says that by Voyager people were tired of the same thing from TNG, over and over. But I think there's a lot of us that would have been just fine with *that*, we just weren't fine with a TNG substitute with all the quality and flavor sucked out.
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