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Dark Matter, SyFy's new space show, premieres June 12th

Why would "the corporation" need to train these guys in how to use their own ship? We know from the episode that the ship already has a reputation so it's not like they were put aboard for the first time just moments before the episode began. The mystery is "what happened to their memories?", not "how did they get their skills"".
 
It was horrendously pedestrian.

I think I'll just record the series then towards the end of its run, check in on this thread to see what the general consensus is. Such is my immense laziness.....I mean my immense respect for the sci-fi credentials of the people on this forum.

Meh, that's how I watch all my shows these days. I wait until something has been around for a while and has gotten decent reviews. I just don't have time otherwise.
 
I'm hoping there isn't too much brooding in the dark Destiny-esque rooms and that REAL aliens show up very soon.

The cliche characters embarrassed me, it is really wtf that the writers do not care that this is what they are serving up. How does it work, does no one say in a meeting "hey you know sword asian and punk hair tech girl.. that is kind of overdone".

If the pace picks up that will be good and NO BROODING.
 
Dear god that was shite- Stargate Universe but even more dimly lit with even more talentless leads. I sat through the whole episode, but still have no memory of anything that happened beyond about the 20 minute mark. I just tuned out and went blank.
 
The cliche characters embarrassed me, it is really wtf that the writers do not care that this is what they are serving up.

I suspect this was done quite deliberately. Start with easily-identifiable tropes so that the audience can latch on very quickly. Then slowly subvert those tropes as the characters grow in awareness. The Raza crewmembers might turn out to be very different than how they were first presented. Plus it gives each of them the chance to knowingly choose an alternate path, however he or she may see fit.
 
The cliche characters embarrassed me, it is really wtf that the writers do not care that this is what they are serving up.

I suspect this was done quite deliberately. Start with easily-identifiable tropes so that the audience can latch on very quickly. Then slowly subvert those tropes as the characters grow in awareness. The Raza crewmembers might turn out to be very different than how they were first presented. Plus it gives each of them the chance to knowingly choose an alternate path, however he or she may see fit.


If writers start a show by creating as cliche characters as possibly in order for the audience to understand them then the writers must have all of no respect for their audience.
 
If writers start a show by creating as cliche characters as possibly in order for the audience to understand them then the writers must have all of no respect for their audience.

How do you explain Joss Whedon's success, then? Every one of his characters started out as a well-worn trope, which he then built upon. Moreover, he keeps using the same tropes over and over again. The method works, if it's done well.
 
Joss Whedon's characters also, right from the start, have a warmth and personality that is individual and not just the trope. I think that may be accomplished with how chatty and monologue inclined a lot of them are, you are given the character full in your face right from the start.

These Destiny lite characters could improve, it's just at this point there isn't any reason to believe they will. So far my favorite is the android who has a permanently pleased look on her face which amuses me.
 
These Destiny lite characters could improve, it's just at this point there isn't any reason to believe they will.

Based on what, if I may ask? Within the first hour we saw at least two of the characters begin to deviate from who they'd been before losing their memories. Character development has already begun.

On the other hand, we have examples like ST: Voyager that saw zero character development during its entire run. If anything, they regressed backward. Based on this single hour, I choose to give Dark Matter the benefit of the doubt.
 
On the other hand, we have examples like ST: Voyager that saw zero character development during its entire run.

I'd hardly say that. The Doctor went through enormous development over the course of the series, and Seven of Nine evolved quite a bit over her four seasons (even if she stalled somewhat in the sixth season). And there was the whole Paris-Torres romance, marriage, and parenthood arc.


If anything, they regressed backward.

Which is still technically nonzero character development. ;)
 
They could just be ruthless psychos who do it for a crapload of money.
If by given information, you mean had information downloaded when their memories were wiped, I don't see why that would have to be true.
It sounded like the Raza were out and doing the companies dirty work for a while, which means they were probably flying around in the ship all of that time. I'm thinking their knowledge about how to fly the ship and all of that was simply left from before the wipe and not given after it.
 
They haven't been "given" any information.
Of course they were given information. Either they were trained by their corporate masters (or memories were implanted by them) in how to use the ship, or it came from some other source. Whatever information they were given by their corporate masters, it has to make sense for them to have been given it.

Unless the android started out as combat equipment for them to use on missions, to add that last bit of inhumanity to the "Raza" legend. That would explain perfectly why they'd know how to disable it. Any halfway competent soldier knows how to "safe" his own weapon.
I thought the android was described as a security android. I'll have to wait a couple of days until it gets put on my DVR so I can rewatch it. In any case, no simple piece of "combat equipment" would know so much about all the inner workings of the ship. The android is clearly meant to operate and complete their whole missions autonomously.

Where did I use the word "mindless"?

It's entirely possible that third parties were responsible for all the memory losses in an attempt to stop their mission.
Obviously.

You assume only one scenario fits the available evidence. "Aspirin comes in pills. Aspirin is white. Therefore all pills are white."
Thanks. :lol: If I need a refresher in basic logic I'll—go somewhere else.

Need I remind everyone that this is all ultimately about whether we enjoy it?!? Sure, I'm making assumptions to fill in the blanks, but so what? Most of us are. Right now there's an incomplete picture.

It doesn't add up yet.

No company is going to put pirates in a starship capable of destroying colonies and send them out to do dirty work without there being some overwhelming threat to keep them on-mission. I'd assumed since I thought I heard the android described as a security android, and since she knows so much about the ship (relatively speaking), that it was the android. But if it's not the android, maybe it's whatever is behind the Special Door....
I meant this post
They could just be ruthless psychos who do it for a crapload of money.
If by given information, you mean had information downloaded when their memories were wiped, I don't see why that would have to be true.
It sounded like the Raza were out and doing the companies dirty work for a while, which means they were probably flying around in the ship all of that time. I'm thinking their knowledge about how to fly the ship and all of that was simply left from before the wipe and not given after it.
to be a response to the quote above it. I missed this whole page of posts.
I'm hoping there isn't too much brooding in the dark Destiny-esque rooms and that REAL aliens show up very soon.

The cliche characters embarrassed me, it is really wtf that the writers do not care that this is what they are serving up. How does it work, does no one say in a meeting "hey you know sword asian and punk hair tech girl.. that is kind of overdone".

If the pace picks up that will be good and NO BROODING.

I'm wondering if there might be aliens in this universe. Nobody seemed surprised when the colonists started talking about aliens. If there were no aliens in this universe I would have expected at least one of the characters to be surprised or have some kind of reaction when said mentioned aliens coming to kill them.
 
I'm wondering if there might be aliens in this universe. Nobody seemed surprised when the colonists started talking about aliens. If there were no aliens in this universe I would have expected at least one of the characters to be surprised or have some kind of reaction when said mentioned aliens coming to kill them.

I was thinking the same JD and it will be sloppy writing if it turns out to be an alien free universe and everyone was like, "oh, so lizards?" and not much else.
 
I'm wondering if there might be aliens in this universe. Nobody seemed surprised when the colonists started talking about aliens. If there were no aliens in this universe I would have expected at least one of the characters to be surprised or have some kind of reaction when said mentioned aliens coming to kill them.

Well, the characters had lost their memories, so how would they know?

The impression I got was that some of the other colonists were embarrassed when the one person suggested they were aliens. That other colonist added, "Nobody really knows what they are." So, sure, we know that the belief in aliens exists, but that doesn't prove that actual aliens exist, any more than the existence of UFO myths and conspiracy theories in the real world is proof that our government is run by lizard people.

Heck, I think that in any interstellar human civilization, at least one that hasn't spread across the whole galaxy like Asimov's Galactic Empire, it's inevitable that many people would believe in aliens, or would hear stories about aliens being discovered on some distant world. It'd be no different from all the tales in medieval bestiaries about exotic creatures and bizarre tribes with their faces in their chests or whatever. When people see an unknown, they fill it in with their imaginations. So the belief in aliens does not prove their actual existence. It just proves that human nature and human imagination are consistent things.
 
Not great, but not horrible either. I have a feeling the cliched characters will stock to their cliches though. There's a decent mystery, and I'll stick around to see if it stays interesting.

Is it a good idea to shoot a super big gun inside of a ship? Especially if your intent is to blast through solid metal?
 
Is it a good idea to shoot a super big gun inside of a ship? Especially if your intent is to blast through solid metal?

Three doesn't strike me as the type to give much thought to whether shooting something is a good idea or not.
 
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