Voyager finale question
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She could have gone back and stopped Voyager from even getting taken to the Delta qudrant to begin with. It makes as much sense as what she did.
I still think it would have served them right if the "new" timeline turned out to be a lot worse than the one that apparently wasn't good enough for them.
What Admiral Janeway conveniently neglected to mention was the dozens of civilizations and billions of people Voyager originally helped on their way home.
What Admiral Janeway conveniently neglected to mention was the dozens of civilizations and billions of people Voyager originally helped on their way home.
I think fans would have been happy if they hadn't reached home by the end. As long as we know they're still out there, trying to get back, it would have been fine. In fact, i think it would have been quite a romantic way to finish
Plus it would give the fans tons of fan fiction to play with. A whole sixteen years of stories and possibilities.
Had they at least built this up over the final season, it might have been more acceptable (or not) but the fact that Chakotay and Seven's romance is a last minute thing and Tuvok's illness has never been heard of before "Endgame" just made the whole thing ridiculous and rushed.
Did the writers think they had another season or something? Why so last minute?
Have a big finale episode with time travel and the Borg if you like but at the end of it, they should still basically have been where they were, trying to get home.
^ Build up would have been nice, especially with Tuvok (one of my favourite characters in the show), hinting at little things that weren't quite right with him over the season. Unfortunately, their episodic nature curtailed anything like that from happening.
If you remember way back in S1 "Eye of the Needle" Janeway uses the argument we shouldn't prevent starfleet from launching us on the mission that strands us in the DQ because of the impact we have had. Yet years later and she is quite happy to undo sixteen years of impact they had had.
Yes time can change people but if she was doing it because a few more crew members died along the way i.e Seven as others have pointed out, why not go back earlier and save more lives?
Wasn't there some tidbit established in an earlier episode re: the transwarp tunnels that once you entered one, you had to go all the way through, exit, and then re-enter to go the opposite direction? I.e. it's not like a stargate wormhole where you can stand on one end, stick your hand through, and then pull it back, it's more like the DS9 wormhole where once you go in, you can't (easily) turn around and come back?
A great way to solve all these problems would have been to do the Terminator ending. Show the future after they got home not as a perfect ending for those who survived but rather a desperate, apocolyptic and war-torn Federation. Janeway somehow figures out that it all starts with their return, and that somehow Seven was the touchstone whose presence either set it all off or could have prevented it. Maybe someone from the 29th century tries to recruit Janeway to help because they know Seven wouldn't be interested, and then that 29th century time agent ends up dead so Janeway has to go back? Maybe the time travel isn't perfect, so she can't pick and choose exctly when and where she goes back in time?
That would have given a lot more urgency I think to Admiral Janeway's mission, she woudln't have come across as so arrogant and it would also tidily explain away why she doesn't go back to save Carey or Hogan or any of the others or to prevent Voyager from getting lost in the first place.
But then Seven would still be a Borg, and the Voyager "family" would never have been formed!
Certainly possible. I haven't seen the series all the way through since first-run.
We can see there are "turn offs" built within the conduit.
So coincidence they were in the conduit leading to Earth or did Voyager specifically know to take that one?
I might be just me, but I would have much rather have had that conduit terminate elsewhere in the Alpha Quadrant. Maybe within the Klingon Empire or even just an empty region. It was a bit much having it drop them on Earth's doorstep.
I would liked to have them return a couple of shows before the series finale also- have them complete the journey through Federation space, meeting up with other vessels and spend some time relishing the end of the voyage. We spent seven years watching them struggle to return and it needed more of a payoff than three minutes..
I would liked to have them return a couple of shows before the series finale also- have them complete the journey through Federation space, meeting up with other vessels and spend some time relishing the end of the voyage. We spent seven years watching them struggle to return and it needed more of a payoff than three minutes..
^yeah but she ignored that to screw with 16 years of impact on the Delta (and later Beta) quadrant as well as the the lives of everyone on board.
So if you don't care about the impact you had on the quadrants over the last 16 years, why not just screw with the full 23? What's the difference?
The only answer can be.....she clearly couldn't give a shit about the Voyager people who were lost on the journey in the first seven years but did care about the ones that were lost in the final 16 years.
Which of course, is moronic.
So if you don't care about the impact you had on the quadrants over the last 16 years, why not just screw with the full 23? What's the difference?
The only answer can be.....she clearly couldn't give a shit about the Voyager people who were lost on the journey in the first seven years but did care about the ones that were lost in the final 16 years.
Which of course, is moronic.
Unless she really had some clear reason to believe that the things Voyager did during its 7 years were somehow more significant than anything it would do for the remaining 16.
It's a shame we don't know nearly enough about those 16 years to make any sort of educated comparison.
It's a shame we don't know nearly enough about those 16 years to make any sort of educated comparison.
I'm sorry if this was already suggested but perhaps she didn't go back further because they already passed it in her timeline when she was that young janeway. "It's crawling with Borg." And she went back in time to convince herself to go into the nebula this time rather than listen yo Harry's "to the journey." Which cost her too much.
But that's just it: Other than the fact that they got back to Earth, there was no closure whatsoever. We don't know anything about what happened to the crew after that, other than Janeway's silly cameo in Nemesis.
Yes, especially since the whole concept of a transwarp hub opening right to Earth made no sense whatsoever. If the Borg had easy access to Earth all this time, why didn't they just invade it already?
Amen
