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Is TOS considered an integral part of pop culture?

Man, man, the world upside down! Now if we have to believe late baby boomers, the 60s and 70s generation was readily accepting their parent's culture.

Like any other generation, we accepted some of their culture, rejected other parts but we were definitely influenced by it. I'm a bit of a 'doomer and that's a direct result of growing up in the "duck and cover" age and being a child during the 1960s when it seemed like everyone was getting shot.

I still don't like 1950s music, but I like other aspects of the culture of my parents. Some of the movies in the 1940s-1960s were pretty good and I like 1940s music. Even the cheesy 1950s/early 1960s movies are good fun.

And remember, all boomers aren't alike. What some may like, others don't. One can't assume. I know that history is adamant that there was a huge generation gap and everyone rebelled against their parents, but that's utter bullshit. Some did, some didn't - it depended on the people involved. Not everyone was a hippie marching, or running off to join the Manson Family.

I like being a boomer. And yet, I have respect for my parents' generation and for the kids who followed me. Each generation has something to offer to everyone and each one is flawed. Welcome to humanity.

But we had the best music...ah, from around 1964 through around 1974 (basically, disco sucked).

And we had Trek! Good Trek...fun Trek, cheesy Trek.
 
Heh, at Target last week I notiiced they were selling a Star Trek t-shirt right next to the Star Wars and superhero ones - not sure you can get anymore "pop culture" than that...

I've seen them, too. I wonder who buys those? Teens? Tweens? Twenty-somethings? Are they buying them because they're fans, or because it's kitschy?

If I were thirty years younger, I'd have probably gotten one. At 54, I'm not sure it's a good look for me any more, though.

I am aging out of every major demographic! I've gone from being marketed all the neat new stuff to being sold Depends and Cialis (a terrible combination, by the way -- or so I'm led to believe :shifty:).
 
Heh, at Target last week I notiiced they were selling a Star Trek t-shirt right next to the Star Wars and superhero ones - not sure you can get anymore "pop culture" than that...

I've seen them, too. I wonder who buys those? Teens? Tweens? Twenty-somethings? Are they buying them because they're fans, or because it's kitschy?

If I were thirty years younger, I'd have probably gotten one. At 54, I'm not sure it's a good look for me any more, though.

I don't know. I'm older than you and I'm wearing a XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS tee-shirt right now. And my "Khan" tee-shirt (with Ricardo Montalban, of course) is in the laundry. :)
 
Heh, at Target last week I notiiced they were selling a Star Trek t-shirt right next to the Star Wars and superhero ones - not sure you can get anymore "pop culture" than that...

I've seen them, too. I wonder who buys those? Teens? Tweens? Twenty-somethings? Are they buying them because they're fans, or because it's kitschy?

If I were thirty years younger, I'd have probably gotten one. At 54, I'm not sure it's a good look for me any more, though.

I don't know. I'm older than you and I'm wearing a XENA: WARRIOR PRINCESS tee-shirt right now. And my "Khan" tee-shirt (with Ricardo Montalban, of course) is in the laundry. :)

:lol: OK. Point taken. I do have a couple of Muppets t-shirts I wear, after all. Next time I'm in Target, I'm looking for that Trek t-shirt.
 
Coming late to the party:

The fact that Nimoy's death was front-page news, and that multiple "tribute" magazines quickly flooded grocery stores, drug stores, dollar stores, and so on, displayed alongside the latest issues of PEOPLE or COSMOPOLITAN, indicates to me that Spock (and by extension STAR TREK) is still deeply entrenched in American pop culture.

Again, we're not talking comic-book shops here or the dealers room at a Trek convention. We're talking the check-out line at your neighborhood grocery store.

The mainstream media would not have treated Nimoy's passing as a Big Deal unless they thought that the whole world still remembered Spock . . ..

This is a solid point. Magazines such as Entertainment Weekly skew toward a generation that was not born when TOS was first run, or in its early syndication years, but Nimoy (and a good helping of ST references) could be found in its pages. Moreover, TOS is so bonded to cultural awareness that a running TOS parody was featured on the PBS financial literacy series, Biz Kid$ (2008 - 2012), aimed at children and teens who (if anything) would only know the tail end of the Berman ST series, yet the series producers selected TOS.

There must be a reason to aim the characters and situations of a 1960s series at Millennials.
 
No, Star Trek in general is way to obscure to appeal to the vast majority of the world...

Bazinga!

Bet I really had you going there... you should see your faces :lol:

Whether or not TOS could be considered pop culture anymore is debatable, but as it is oft quoted/parodied within pop culture without the need to always state where such things come tells me it is at still deeply ingrained into to culture of popular culture... or something like that.
 
In part, this was because the old b/w movies were still playing regularly on TV (the same way, say, the TREK movies are constantly being rerun on cable),but it was also because we didn't automatically reject our parents' favorites as old hat.
Man, man, the world upside down! Now if we have to believe late baby boomers, the 60s and 70s generation was readily accepting their parent's culture.

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Well, I am proudly Generation X and I must say I agree whole heartedly with Greg Cox's statements. It sort of goes like this in my experience (very generally obviously YMMV):

You become aware of pop culture around the age of 3 or 4, specifically material made for young kids, Disney, Pixar, Sesame Street, Doc McsStuffins (to give a mix of today's and previous generations experiences.)

Around age 8-9 you become aware of contemporary youth culture - pop singers, movies that are hitting the screens right now. Your parents try to introduce you to things they loved growing up. These include their contemporary culture (I would show my kids ET, for example, because I saw that when I was 10 or so) as well as "classics" of pop culture - The Wizard of Oz.

Around 13-15, you are deeply involved in contemporary culture and you start to get an inkling that there was some pretty cool stuff from your parents and grandparents ages. These things have retro cache. I have now seen my generation and 2 others learn to dig the Beatles at this age.

By 18-20, you are really exploring more of pop culture and its history. You might discover the Marx Bros, Billie Holiday, the first "adult" comics of the 80s-90s (Moore, Gaiman, etc), Bogie. They will be a small part of what you consume, pop culture-wise, but you'll definitely start to encounter and really become interested in some things not of the immediate era. These tend to be things that have stood some test of time and multiple generations get into them. I would put Star Trek into this category. Now you may or may not encounter it at this age - but at this age or older, you're more likely to have enough of an understanding of the history of pop culture and have developed the ability to see beyond your own contemporary culture to give it a try. I recall, myself, not tolerating any black and white movies or tv shows until 16-20 years of age. Then I began to understand the charm and aesthetic of them and find them interesting historically and for their entertainment value.

After this, in your 20s, 30s, 40s you start building your personal list of pop culture favorites, that may go back some ways. I got into the Arthurian Romances of the 12th century in my early 30s. Does this make them "integral to pop culture" - well, in a way. They were the beginning of material that perpetuates today and they were a key influence not only in an King Arthur stuff that came later, but they set a tone of all medieval stories that came later. They influenced how Game of Thrones looks and feels even if you have never even heard of Wolfram von Eschenbach's Parsifal.

Star Trek is like this. Some people, of many ages, know it intimately because it speaks to them personally and they consume it directly. Some people know it through references which have become commonplace. Some people have never seen it and never will, but they will consume many movies, books, comic books, etc which would not look the way they look or sound the way they sound without Star Trek.

Perhaps the better way to think of it is Star Trek is an integral part of pop culture history, certainly still influential - the top rated tv sit com at the moment is populated by nerds who love Star Trek and the franchise is still actively being produced featuring the iconic characters of Kirk and Spock. It's not dead and it's not Taylor Swift. There is plenty of space in between though.

And when you mentioned adult comics, don't forget Frank Miller stuff, Heavy Metal magazine, Akira by Katushiro Otomo and more.

I'm Generation Y and seems your Generation X since you were born in the 70s, that's cool too.

No, Star Trek in general is way to obscure to appeal to the vast majority of the world...

Bazinga!

Bet I really had you going there... you should see your faces :lol:

Whether or not TOS could be considered pop culture anymore is debatable, but as it is oft quoted/parodied within pop culture without the need to always state where such things come tells me it is at still deeply ingrained into to culture of popular culture... or something like that.

And do you think Star Wars is more mainstream since everyone knows Star Wars and other things while ST is more cult?
 
Well. In England "The Force" is I suppose considered a possible religon for census work.

In Oregan, Klingon is an official recognized language that the state has to be able to provide a translator.
 
And do you think Star Wars is more mainstream since everyone knows Star Wars and other things while ST is more cult?
Everyone?

Star Wars is just a more popular cult.

This.

In Oregan, Klingon is an official recognized language that the state has to be able to provide a translator.

False.

Although I so once remember reading about a psychiatric institution somewhere in the States advertising for the position of Klingon translator due to a patient that believed it was the only language here could understand. I'm not certain how true it was, and I can't screen remember where I read it.
 
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